Terror Unbound: 14 years old Hindu child burnt alive
June 28, 2007
West Bengal: The constant aggression of Islamic terror continues to haunt the Hindus of West Bengal. The severe atrocities on the Hindus by Islamic radicals in the Muslim populated villages of West Bengal are forcing thousands of Hindus to leave their ancestral lands and villages and migrate away silently. The Muslim dominated villages of 24 Parganas(s) and 24 Parganas(n), Malda, Nadia and Murshidabad, have become hot breeding grounds of terrorists and every day there are more and more incidents of unbound terror and atrocities on the Hindus while the Left Government and the West Bengal Police remain a silent spectator with its severe pro-Islamic, anti-Hindu stand.
Samrat Mondal is only 14. He was a student of class 8 and lived with his family in the village of Kharimachan of Basanti village in 24 parganas(s) West Bengal.
On the evening of 4th May 2007, a gang of 20 Muslims led by Gausher Ali Gayen, Samsher Ali Gayen, caught Samrat at gun point in the middle of the field when he was returning from school and forced him into a ditch. Few Muslims held him down forcefully while the others poured Kerosene oil on the innocent boy and finally set him on fire.
All the other Muslims about 20 of them, and some young Muslim boys who were playing in the nearby field, watched and laughed as Samrat was burning heavily and not a single person came to his help.
With the fire catching up on his entire body, Samrat ran towards a shallow pond to save his life. He jumped in that pond and tossing himself repeatedly in the mud he was finally able to stop the fire but by then he was already 50% burnt, the skin from his body and lower abdomen ripping away as he became unconscious in the tremendous pain.
Samrat Mondal is a Hindu. Samarat's father Surat Chandra Mondal migrated with his family from Satkhira of Bangladesh about two decades ago, being constantly subjected to Islamic persecution and social pressure there, a common phenomenon in Islamic Bangladesh, like millions of Hindus he came to India in search of an honorable life as a Hindu and settled in the village of Kharimachan of Basanti village in 24 parganas(s) of West Bengal.
In the Muslim populated villages of West Bengal where the condition of Hindus are not very much different and in some areas even worse than Islamic Bangladesh, looting of Hindu houses, cattle lifting, desecrating and profaning Hindu idols, molesting Hindu women is being openly carried on with the moral support of the Islamic Radicals and tacit support of the leftists.
Surat Mondal's house was looted by notorious Muslim criminals Gausher Ali Gayen and his gang for four consecutive days. Every time their house was looted, Surat Mondal complained to the local left controlled village Panchayat and its leader Samsuddin Mollah in vain and finally on the third day, when the looters came and put fire on his house Surat Mondal resorted to complain to the local Basanti Police Station on 4th of May 2007 and pleaded for justice. But, the police refused to take a complain as the assailants were all Muslims and protected by the ruling left front parties and instead Surat Mondal was told to go away.
On the evening of the same day there was a grand opening of a mosque in the village. Surprisingly, unlike the other days all the Muslim boys gathered in the paddy fields behind Surat Mondal's house and started a mock football match.
Beside, the same paddy field a group of 20 Muslims, with fire arms and Kerosene waited for Samrat Mondal, who usually came back this way everyday after school. Their intention was to burn him alive and cast terror within the mind of the Hindus.
After the fire was set and Samarat was burning heavily and running with fire catching up all his body the Muslim boys playing in the field stood by and shouted and laughed their breath out to suppress Samrat's cry of pain so that nobody could hear him.
This heinous action proves the involvement of Islamic radicals and well formulated planned action of terror which had the involvement of the entire Muslim population of the village as a whole.
After Samrat fainted, his uncle who was luckily passing by rescued him and Samrat was admitted in Canning Hospital.
The first thing that Samrat told after gaining consciousness in the morning are the names of criminals to the police who put fire on him, 1. Gausher Ali Gayen 2. Jamshek Gayen 3. Shamsher Ali.
The police though registered a case but never bothered to take any action against these criminals and the gang and they still roam freely on village roads of Basanti, threatening the Hindus who morally stood behind Surat Mondal's family.
The criminals with the full support of the village panchayat leader Shamsuddin Mollah and Lokman Mollah, the notorious communal leftist leader of Basanti forced Surat Monadal to leave the village. Surat Mondal had no option other than to sell away his entire land and house at a throw away half of the actual price and arrange for funds for the treatment of his severely burnt only son.
The entire family of Surat Mondal consisting about 14 members has migrated from the village now and is staying with a relative's family in a small room, in the outskirts of Kolkata.
With all his funds exhausted for the treatment of Samrat who received more than 50% burn and a deadly virus due to contamination in the Government Hospital, the family which came to India for an honorable living as a Hindu have no-where to go now .Only Darkness looms on their fate and of the millions of Hindus as West Bengal slowly withers towards the formation of another Islamic state.
(Atleast now, Hindus should unite against these horrible atrocities for self protection. If you choose to ignore this, YOU may become next 'Samrat'! - Editor)
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This is true shame to muslims that are feared of Hindus ....
So they are trying to do so.....
But even still hindus are sleeping...
Lets know what god need from us .....
we should keep quite....
this is todat for a 14 year old boy...
this can done to even to u ....
Pl wake up Hindu
Please this is request to all Hindus!!!!!1
vaibhav, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 03:38
In some Paper I read that " Till When we dont take your force back from Kashmir These terrorist wont stop doing terrorism"
This is postion of terrorist....
coming to our country they are blaming us.......
this govt should be fired.....
for this kranti is only the way....
santosh, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 03:42
this should stopped as only govt is responsible for this because giving freeness to muslims omly for sake of votes.....
SHAME ON INDIAN GOVT
""THU THU""
Rajani, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 04:46
Will he ever get justice? With such an Anti-Hindu Govt. in power this will never happen. It is becoming inevitable for Hindus to take up arms against such atrocities.
If any of us is trapped like Samrat and find ourself being cornered by the Jihadis, then there is no other way but to yell out loud mother Kali's name so she would bless us her courriage and spirit to fight back. Attack them as hard as you can to stay alive ! At least if we fail to stay alive, then they will always remember that we die with pride...
KAAL, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 13:05
THATS GOOD,THAT ONE SAMRAT IS BURNT ALIVE AND IT WILL BE GREAT IF ALL THE HINDUS ARE BURNT ALIVE,,,AT LEAST THE GOVT.WANTS THE SAME TO HAPPEN THEREFORE ITS GIVING MORE AND MORE PERKS TO THE MUSLIMS ....................SHAME SHAME INDIAN GOVT. SHAME ON U
BUT I PROMISE THAT THE KALKI AVATAAR WILL BE THERE SOON TO SALVATE THESE KILLERS........
prashant, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 13:38
its very shamefull for us in india its message for us to reunited
Dr Nand Kishore, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 14:25
It is just begining. We going find Samrat in our houses. Next Samrat may our kith and kin. Then what ? Awake Hindus awake.
Rakesh, United States of America
29 Jun 2007, 14:56
SHAME ON WEST BENGAL & INDIAN CENTRAL GOVERNMENT...
Actually we should say this first SHAME ON US ....
This is what Secularism they (Left & Congress) says...
Vick, Canada
29 Jun 2007, 15:42
India is also not safe
Wake up Indian , Unity is only Solution
Tit for tat
Thanks
Prakash Solanki, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 17:14
Jinhe Naaz Hai HIND Par Wo Kaha Hai . . .
Jaago Hindu, Jaago . . .
Vande Mataram...
Longpole1, United States of America
29 Jun 2007, 17:39
The pervert State and Federal govts. in West Bengal and India are barbaric and criminally corrupt. The naivete of Hindus in trusting foreign inspired and controlled parties are almost reaching at the level foolishness. The cultural and psychological education exposing pervert people behind these situation should enable people to punish these barbarians.
Ramesh, United States of America
29 Jun 2007, 20:03
These are the barbarian tactics used by warring countries during medieval period. They still being employed only for religious motives. Its a disgrace to civilization.
What is happening with WB, Bihar and Jharkhand? Maoists are reigning large. There are efforts to make an Islamic corridor.
Good people of India are facing their moment of truth. Let us fight this twin menace through all means.
Rajendra M Patil, India (Bharat)
29 Jun 2007, 23:57
Jaago Hindu, Jaago . . .
Vande Mataram
Satyam, United States of America
30 Jun 2007, 00:14
This is very intolerable and ridiculous. Shame on those barbarians for hurting a poor helpless 14 year old boy so badly. What do they gain? It makes no sense whatsoever. It is the responsibility of every human being to wake up and protest against these atrocities and protect the community. Else next victim will be your own kit and kin. No end to this.
satindervashisht, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 00:16
Shame on us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Atleast wakeup now........for what we are waiting now......???
Change this Killer Govt, which is giving compromising on the life of hindu on the name of Secularisum.........
rajesh, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 01:09
Pata nahi is desh mein aaj kal kya ho raha hai? kyon log itne cruel ho rahe hai? Sabse bada haath hai is mein political support. I hope the Indian Govt. will awake from the neend when a major such incidence will take place with HINDUS.
Its really same on us, who are not so united, the so called HINDUS, who do not have any moral left behind to come forward. Its an appeal to the Indian Central Govt. to see that no such incidences happen and even if happen, the people involved should be given such a punishment, in open, like gulf countries, that no one else after that dare to do it with some one else again. The Law has to be changed now, like that of GULF LAW. HAATH KE BADLE KE HAATH.JAY HIND.
A.MAHENDRA, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 01:43
This is the henious crime of worst kind. We have to find fault with the Communist govenment of West Bengal. If the fanatic muslims are daring to do this kind to inhuman acts because of the state government support. Communisim is nothing but theocrtatic Islam with out Allah. Narendra Modi should be made Chief Minister of west Bengal, then only things will come under control.
rajesh, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 01:49
i have no words to describe the incedent iam unable to believe that we r only reading these and forgetting the entire issue we have to do something for our hindu brothers &sisters
There is no point sprading haterat between Hindus & Muslims by sending such inflamatory mails. What one law abiding person should do is take this material to police and if that does not work our take to news channel of Z or Star . These channels are doing wonderful social work and they will put up news in such a way that the goverment will have to move.. Please stop haterat campigen and follow the path of peace.
vikram, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 01:53
xxxx these muslim xxxxxxx....They are scum on the face of mother earth.....
Jai Hind...
Bharat mata ki jai
H.N.LOKHANDE, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 01:54
The attack on Samrat by Muslims is very cruel. This is a common tendency of Muslims all over the world to attack specially on Hindus.The Muslims had very cruel in past also. We, Hindus should not forget the above truth. The incident happened is shamefull for Anti-Hindu Govt.(WB Govt. & Central Govt.), as well as for all Hindus. There is a prime need for Hindus to awake our Hindu Bandhus & to get unite without wasting any time, so as to punish these barbarians very soon, just like Shivsainks, who have shown the courage very recently against the anti-Indian activities by Muslims in Kashmir Velly.
chandrakant, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 01:56
I think this cast will have to destroyed from this world. for that we have to do Sadhana and Within a Single "Shraap" we finish this Cast and their ugly people.
Beware of muslims. Never trust any muslim nabour, friend or known muslim too. He can be terrorist. . U can stop terrorism. Be ready . Be smart. Be consious at day time also !
sam, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 02:34
Aattac is a well defense
Rudra Pratap Sharma, Bangladesh
30 Jun 2007, 03:20
Bravo the communists in the West Bengal! Bravo the secularists in India! What you could expect except hate. All you are nothing but spineless. You are protecting the Ismalist terrors only for your vote politics, except which you have nothing in your head. Shame!!
RP Sharma
Kartik Tripathi, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 03:40
Thank God the poor kid is alive. Can we offer financial assistance to help him recover? Can you put this on Star News, Aaj Tak etc. to awaken the conscience of the nation and force the political leadership to act?
Thanks for the exposure of this brutality.
Only Govt: not be blamed for that, Why a common Hindu man and the Political Parties who have been crying for HINDUTAV and enjoying status in States/Centre should not be blamed? Only JEHAD call from a Common man can save BHARAT from being a MUSLIM Country. These all Political Parties are for their power only.
Rudra Pratap Sharma, Bangladesh
30 Jun 2007, 04:16
Bravo the communists in the West Bengal! Bravo the secularists in India! What you could expect except hate? All you are nothing but spineless. You are protecting the Ismalist terrors only for your vote politics, except which you have nothing in your head. Shame!!
RP Sharma
uttam Thakur, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 04:22
Its really bad things ..we have to kill the persons such kind of.
Ye log Bhool gayee hai JIs din HINDU jaag Gayaa naa Chupne Ki jaga nahi milegi ....
Jai Bharat
ANIKET, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 04:48
jab ek hindu ladke ko jihadi jalate hai to koi kuch nahi karta,lekin koi jihadi ko aisa karke dekho woh log kya karte hai,
mere samzaane ka matlub yahi hai ke apana hindu rashtra so gaya kya? are hinduo jaag jao.
Sunil Narayan Upadhyaya, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 07:53
What a cruel example ?
This has become hight, we all HINDUES should be united to rase such issue.
We should ask from the N.G.O.s, where they have gone ?
Where is Human Right Commission ?
Such criminals as well as those persons , who are supporting to such peoples, must not be only hanged till death but even they should be given more & more punishment..
shankar, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 08:36
These barbarians should not be spared any more,the population of hindus is also declining in india.For india to be a secular country,it should be a hindu majority,if hindu population declines india will no more be a secular country.It is the high time we hindus need to unite and fight for justice and for the survival of our future hindu generations.
Mayank Thapak, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 09:24
Really, This is very rediculous. Muslims are doing deeds like blazez gradually. I am feeling shame on our government. They peoples are in minority in india and they are doing whatever they want to do against hindus. In this situation government should take hard step to washing away this.
By doing nothing, God will consider all of us as the supporters of these acts.
sanjay dixit, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 10:00
Deadly Crimainals. Till date Hindustan still reels under the impact of the unspeakable crimes commited by Muslim Invaders against Hindus.
God wii save us. We shall be free.
pathan, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 12:30
How can you accuse any religion for this. This is a stunt that local politician are conducting to start another riot in India. This is not Hindu, christain or muslim matter. This is time for election and people with low morals who are corrupted in India are conducting this problems in India. No one talks about local murders within same religion or rapes within family . Always on news is hundu and muslim. Remember one thing no matter what religion you are someday each one of us is going to answer for the crimes each one of us conducts.
And shame on the media also to initiate the problems to make money so they can make more sales on newspaper and to be popular. It is time to wake up.
chaitanya, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 12:30
Sri Aurobindo had rightly told long back when India was still fighting for freedom" How can anyone (or any religion) tolerate the one who claims to be exclusivist"?.... We should not forget that he was not only a saint but also a Gold medalist in ICS England.
We are very Unfortunate that leaders like him were not recognised and still not being referred by these corrupt politicians for the reason being that they fear the muslims being wiped out and they after that .. So lets Awaken to wise mens words and march forward to make our country and community secure
Sau. Nandini Chitale, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 12:34
shame on hindus
Raghavan, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 12:46
let those idiots and rogues who say that Islam is a religion of peace see this if they can not believe hsitory and the tenets of koran itself .these rogues are evn ungrateful to India which won them freedom from Pakistan which despite being a Muslim counmtry was killing them.Muslims as a clan are ungrateful even toi god.
can there be any humans devoid of the feelings of even animals? If ther eis any it is Muslim.the religion deserves to be eradicated from the world .It has chosen its way out .
Vyshnavi.P, India (Bharat)
30 Jun 2007, 13:36
I think these can form the best examples for inducing atmost patriotism in the people of the country and be united in order to save the mother land.At least now WAKE UP INDIANS WAKE UP!!!!
milind, United States of America
30 Jun 2007, 13:45
Aum Namah Shivay
Where are the (so called) human rights activists - Tista Settlewad & such cronies?? They are deaf and blind to any atrocities done on Hindus - but are ever eager to create huge uproar for even false allegations from muslims!
All the parties in India have failed to upheld Dharma (that is Righteousness, Truth) - so Hindus Wake Up and be prepared in the fight for the second Independence of Bharat - No Avatar will do any miracles if people will not first attempt to help themselves and if they Do Nothing! Please keep God in your heart and Potect your Dharma.
dats all because of our fake secularist political leaders... just do something to throw dem in d hell first.. dan process on another community or cast
Sri Reddy, United States of America
30 Jun 2007, 20:34
File a lawsuit/legal case against west bengal state govt for not arresting the culprits. Whom we need to blame? Its the hindus who vote these pseudo-secular parties especially left govt in bengal for the last 25 years. Hindus should vote for BJP. Atleast there life is safe and secure under BJP (All BJP ruled states are the example). Where are Human Rights Organizations? Human Rights in India is only for non-hindus?
HINDUS IN INDIA WAKE UP AND VOTE FOR BJP IN MASS IN EVERY ELECTION. TAKE PLEDGE ON BHARAT MATA THAT HINDUS ONLY VOTE FOR BJP. MAKE NARENDRA MODI NEXT BJP PM OF INDIA. GUJARAT IS THE SAFEST PLACE FOR HINDUS IN INDIA. BJP IS 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN ANTI-HINDU AND PRO-MUSLIM CONGRESS
Khimji Lalji Hirani, United Kingdom
30 Jun 2007, 23:58
we are about to celebrate 60th year of indepndence
and if anyone has to go through this kind of experiances in free India, government should be asked to answer for this and public (Media & Human Rights) has to demand justice so nothing of this kind happens again
Ghanshyam Gupta, India (Bharat)
01 Jul 2007, 00:42
This is very intolerable and ridiculous. Shame on those barbarians for hurting a poor helpless 14 year old boy so badly. What do they gain? It makes no sense whatsoever. Where is Law and order ?
This is time "Jago Hindu Jago" and punish them.
Even Gods seem to side with the non-hindus or is it a concerted effort on the part of the enemies of India and Hindus.
The deaths or elimination of prominent leaders of the BJP is a very sad sign. Murder of Pramod Mahajan was a major blow to the BJP and the hindus. Now the major contender in Delhi Sahib Singh Verma is gone. Besides several other leaders of the BJP have died over a period of time.
We need to breed more staunch supporters of the hindu religion.
We need to inculcate a strong respect and readiness to sacrifice from a very early age. We need to brain wash our children just the same way the Madarsas do it.
Manish, India (Bharat)
01 Jul 2007, 05:04
Something really needs to happen.It is not only Samrat but every person who respect HINDUTVA has suffered.We cannot sit like silent spectatorsWe know abt Samrat becuase it is in the news, but think about those people who are being tortured without being in news.WAKE UP MY INDIANS,WAKE UP.
Madhu, India (Bharat)
01 Jul 2007, 08:03
We can not keep quiet any more. It is high time that we also start retaliating.. This can not be ignored. Samrat could be one of our neighbors.
If given a chance, we too have to burn these muslims and make them run out of our country. This is a Hindu Rastra and We don ot like Hindu to become a Minority and get subjected to Attrocity of Muslims..
Shriram Luktuke, India (Bharat)
01 Jul 2007, 08:18
Its very true, we can be next the next target !
SO LETS UNITE & FIGHT TOGETHER.
Rather saying shame shame to Govt. we should make this Govt. to bend & work for us ......
PRAVEEN, India (Bharat)
01 Jul 2007, 10:25
Why can't any body in west bengal file a case against the police with HUMAN RIGHTS ?
MAYUR DAVE, India (Bharat)
01 Jul 2007, 11:04
RESPECTED SIR,
AFTER INDEPENDENCE OF OUR COUNTRY, PAKISTAN IS PLAYING A GAME OF INFILTRATION OF THEIR PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.BEFORE THE BORN OF BANGLADESH IT WAS BEING KNOWN BY THE NAME OF EAST PAKISTAN, THE INFILTRATION OF THE BANGLADESH PEOPLE WERE MADE.AT THE TIME OF WAR BEGAN IN AFAGHANISTAN THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE INFILTRATED IN OUR COUNTRY INDIA. THESE FOREIGNER MUSLIM PEOPLE ARE NOW AROUND TWO CRORES IN OUR COUNTRY.IN THE NUMBER OF LAKHS OF INFILTRATION IN OUR COUNTRY. THEY ARE IN – ASSAM, TRIPURA, MANIPUR, EAST BENGAL, BIHAR, RAJASTHAN, GUJARAT AND JAMMU-KASHMIR.THEY ARE BEING SETTLED IN THESE STATES.ON THESE WAY NEARLY TWENTY ONE DISTRICTS ARE HAVING THERE MAJORITY.THESE PAKISTANI, BANGLADESHI AND AFAGHANISTANI PEOPLE HAVE CREATE A RELIGEOUS IMPRESSION TO THE MINISTERS. SO THAT THEIR NAME CAN BE WRITTEN IN THE BOARD OF ELECTION.FOR THIS REASON IT MAY BE DANGEROUS FOR OUR COUNTRY’S UNITY AND NATIONAL SECURITY. ON THE BOARD OF THE DISTRICTS OF OUR COUNTRY THERE POPULATION IS GROWING MORE AND MORE THAT CAN ALSO BE DANGEROUS FOR OUR COUNTRY. THEY ARE CREATING A PROBLEM FOR OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE THEIR POLICY IS MAKING INDIA ONCE AGAIN A MUSLIM COUNTRY BY INFLITRATION OF MUSLIM TERRORISTS AS WELL AS FOREIGNER SPIES OR ISI AGENTS BY INFILTRATING MORE AND MORE.
It is the Congress and its allies who are determined to retain their power at any cost and at any harm to India. Congress does not bother for Hindus and the great ancient culture of India.
Throw Congress and its allies to bay of Khambhat to construct Kalpsar. This is the only option left with Nationalists to make good use of their bodies.
Congress has killed Mahatma Gandhi. Congress has killed Indian glories.
HUME EET KA JAWAB PATHHER SE DENA HOGA. WE MUST READY TO GIVE THEM RIGHT JUDGEMENT BY USING GUN'S AND SWORDS.
JAI BHAVANI JAI SHIVAJI.
Dr K Santayana, United Kingdom
01 Jul 2007, 18:13
I would strongly state that it is much more than shame for not only the Indian government, but also for the people in India. I am settled in the UK who have decided my mind to resettle in India, as India is considered to be a safe country for the Bangladeshi Hindu. But what it is? A Hindu boy was brutally burnt by the Muslim terrorist in a Hindu majority country!!! Either your country is not secular or your government as well as West Bengal people are fail to protect as a Hindu. Would you help me to change my comment? Please?? Mr. K. Santayana Ph.D., London
Sujit, Malaysia
01 Jul 2007, 20:22
Only dirty politics held us good for nothing. The left party the UPA and NDA all should feel shame to have this kind of incidents. Shame! Shame
M.SAI SATHVIK, India (Bharat)
01 Jul 2007, 21:39
on a incident like this wat is the government,s action??are those people arrested and most of the people there are bangldeshis.xxxx this government
Bhartiye bano aur Bhartiyon ki tarhan raho, nahi to dhake dekar Bharat se bahar kar deye jaooge.
Jai Hind
RAMESH NAIR, Malaysia
02 Jul 2007, 00:35
This is a very shameful act by the Muslims, who call themselves very religious and boast of having the best Islamic teachings.
Its also a real shame that the Indian Government does not act swiftly in protecting their citizens.
What's happening to our valuable culture and as Hindus we should stand together and fight till the end. JAI HIND.
Divyesh Patel, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 00:39
Dear Friend's,
Pls Jago ,Utho, khatam kardo in logo ko ,i know this is not our way but now it's needed bcz may be the next child is ...............
vikram mate, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 00:50
All people who were involved in this should be burnt in the smae way or shot dead.
Also the govt is to be blamed for taking no action.
This indicates the rude behaviour of them towards innocent
children .This is very bad on their part .They should atleast think like a human before doing bad things like this .
Rajeev, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 01:39
May i know what these HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS are doing now. Why not human rights commission intervene in the issue ? and what the local police n local govt. is doing.
Hell of all.
Its just not the issue of merely communalism its the issue of communal extremists taking over a peacefull community.
We all should protest for it unitedly.
SHAMBHU, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 02:04
when hinhus going to wake up?
Somanath, United States of America
02 Jul 2007, 02:11
It is very cruel on the part of anyone who committed such type of attrocities to the innocents. Whether it is a Hindu or Muslim or any other religion, noone should commit such henious crime. The concerned government should take necessary action to bring the criminals into justice and compensate the innocent boy appropriately. Otherwise, people will take law into their hands... Let us pray for the innocent child..
It is truely emabarassing that in a Hindu dominant state (population wise) that Muslims have the guts to dominate us in this manner.
We Hindus have only one option and that is to unite and create a Hindu's army to fight against such evil doers.
Kalyan Sarkar, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 03:18
@Sunil Mehta
Muslim population in WB is 27% and in 24 Parganas(South) district 34%. Under Basanti Police Station, Muslims are majority. Most are immigrants from Bangladesh. They are mostly involved in dacoity, drugs, cattle smuggling, coin smuggling, fake currency, girl trafficking, cross border agents, and other petty crimes. They hold ration cards, voter ID cards and hold prominent posts in the panchayats. Such border areas have become Dar-ul-Islam.
prashant, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 03:47
why can we put pressure on govt. for this all I thnk this all due to vote bank policy. why do we think of population and all. why can't muslims think for this all. why can't govt. pull on family planning on muslims??? why always hindus for adjustment and NOT a singal MUSLIM?????
hav, United Kingdom
02 Jul 2007, 04:52
The followers of Islam are becoming known for terrorism.
And the world over is fuly aware of what is happening.
Any religion should never kill that too a child who is so innocent.
The perpetuators of these hideos crime ignorantly think that they will go to heaven!
Will they????
was this matter brought to the attantion of Indian government? It might be that we are talking to deaf ears but we must not stop.Also this should be brought to the attantion of human right organisations without hesitation.
Chuni, United Kingdom
02 Jul 2007, 05:11
Such atrocity must not go unpunished. What have authorities been doing ? Are they so impotent to take any action ? If so, then their turn is only round the corner. Look at the history of the last thousand years only.
Thakor Bhagat, United Kingdom
02 Jul 2007, 05:48
It is very difficult to wipe out fantatics among all
the relegion.To me they should be excuted to
allow innocent worshippers to get on with their lives.
In the case of this young boy and his family is not
relegion but some thugs who are supported by the
village police commissioners who himself is not worhthy of the post and is scared to fight the thugs
therefore he joined them in their atrocity. The city
commssioners should inrevene and difuse the situation and take the criminals to justice. If not then the central gov should tackle the situationif he fails.Fight is grabbing the hindu lands and muslim
occupation.Yes I agree to wipe out the muslim gangster who terroize our Hindu com
Raghuvara, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 06:08
Hindus are like sleeping lions.
Once they are awake, they can show the places for culprits.
But who will wake them up???
Well, thats the big question...
If 1% of the population, can devote 1 hr every day in creating awareness, that should suffice.
This is one of the innumerable incidents that has happened. These leftists are even more dangerous than the muslims themselves!!
Raghu
Shruti Kulkarni, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 06:22
Jaago Hindu Jaago
Krisna, Indonesia
02 Jul 2007, 06:41
It's obvious Hindus are not the master in thier own land it's because the goverment and the police are not interested in our issues. Goverments and police officials, also the international community react very strong when Hindus kill Muslims and Christians. But if Hindus were killed by one of them, then they will see it's OK...
Well it is not OK coz Hindus are HUMAN and Hindus have THE RIGHT TO FIGHT TO STAY ALIVE ! FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT MY HINDU BROTHERS AND SISTERS !!!
Ashok, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 07:28
This is Intolerable incident hapend to whole Hindus. We should not see this incident as concerned to only Samrat infact it's a threat to whole Hindu community. Even though it's a Hindu majority country I don't think Hindus are getting correct level of justice as they have to.
Hindus should atleast now and fight for the justice for our future generation, Otherwise because of these political Gimmicks our future generation of Hindus again needs to live like a slaves or others...
Parvez & Pathan,
Parvezbhai Muslims set alight one of our children. If it was the reverse, then you Muslims would have rioted, looted & killed us Indians.
Muslims living in India are not Indians. You people are Pakistanis living in our land. You are not welcome.
Muslims in India are our unwanted guests, and you had the audasity to hold demonstrations in our country against USA, the Danish cartoon of Mahommad, war on Iraq, and Salman Rushdie.
Dr K Santayana, if you are a Hindu, Sikh, or Buddhist, then your ARE Indian, and India is your motherland. I live in London, so lets get together & talk some day.
Parvezbhai, please leave our country alone & go back to yours
Pravin
Sadashiv, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 08:05
Hindu's are never united and hence many other can take advantage of this.
Communications channels has been improved now so lets unite and cut down who try to do illegal act against us.
alagappan, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 08:11
It is really shame to all INDIANS. We say all indians are brothers & sisters. But the actions like this makes diversity amond indians. I am severly opposing the crime against the 14 yrs old boy as a TRUE INDIAN
Pravin, United Kingdom
02 Jul 2007, 08:18
Hi again all,
There are many of us on here with so much passion for our Hindu motherland. We need to turn it into organised action.
Why dont we guys talk then? Raghuvara - how about it mate??
Shantilal Surti, United Kingdom
02 Jul 2007, 11:13
COME ON THINK- ARE YOU INDIAN???
Our LAND & Country is SOLD TO PAKIS-MUSLEAMS.
INDIANS--TAKE the INSULTS LEFT, CENTER and RIGHT. We are born COWARDS. Muslims are all over INDIA WE have no POWER at all NO CONTROL..WE are COWERDS & SOFT Grin and BEAR IT until INDIA is SOLD or taken OVER. IT IS OUR GOVERMENT, TAKE them OUT or xxxx them.???... INDIA for HINDUS... All the PAKISTANIS & MUSLIMS OUT of the Counery NOW, NOW. Let us see HOW thew FEEL...
naveen, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 12:00
Guys its wake-up call for us, if we don’t sure all Hindus will go to hell. Please educate all Hindus around you, tell him or give him the picture what is happening around us. Samratz turn is over gods knows who is next?
I seen so-many people saying “Hindu’s never unite".... Have you ever thought of starting from u? Try brother every thing works just an initiation is required.
My dear brother it’s the right time for us to unit. Kind request, I don’t expect you to fight against Muslim, but rather educate the Hindu, ask him to visit this site often to learn about the things happening around.
Future is in our hands. If you fight now you and your children can u bright future or......
Azad, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 12:29
i can feel on this incident this is fault of our own politicians.first condemm the activities of them.beeing an indian muslim is indian and was indian first think of past and bring bright feature endavours to india and indians.this kind of idotic activities should be stopped in their own way only until unless we can stop.we are not gandhis aftral gandhi was nonvoilent but many were killed for his nonvoilence so i feel this can be understood by idians
Sejal Vara, United Kingdom
02 Jul 2007, 12:59
This is totally outrageous. How can one be so heartless to burn a child ALIVE. Hindu youths out there, its up to us now, our parents cannot do much anymore, but US KIDS its down to us to hold our nations name HIGH in the air. We must unite and educate one another, we must be there for one another as time goes by quick. We need to get out there and show ourselves. Make sure the WORLD knows we arent prepared to have rubbish trown in our faces. GET UP! GET OUT THERE! AND MAKE YOUR NATION PROUD. US HINDU YOUTHS UNITE TO MAKE OUR OWN NAME ALONE., WITH THE BLESSINGS OF OUR PARENTS WE WILL SUCEED IN THIS. UNITE BROTHERS, SISTERS, UNITE
My ansestors are from India before indepence.Go back to school and STUDY history of India. Pakistan was once open a time part of India. I would react same as above if it was reverse. It is said people like you are fanatic when it it comes to religion. People like you are cowards and staying abroad. What do you mean our land.I know mine 5 for generations. We respect all religions.Living in London its a shame. Go back to you village you came from. I am not going to stoop to your level. you can give me your numb at pops91016atyahoodotcom. know your hindu history all were killers and at war killing other hindus and children BARBARIC killers.
Parvez, United States of America
02 Jul 2007, 13:16
My apology to comments of Pravin
02 Jul 2007, 07:54. My majority friends are hindus an we eat at each others houses and I frequeny go with to their houses for their religions functions. I am still annoyed by Mr. Pravins ignorance against muslims. If I watched this happen to any human regardless of religion I would jump in as a human being an save him at any cost. This incidence was witnessed why did no one from help him out. Shame on you PRAVIN what city are you from originally. Just tell me what you used to do in India, I would like to have a healthy conversation to educate you to live like a human being.
saket singh, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 13:51
Shame on us (nothing more to say)
adesh sharma, United States of America
02 Jul 2007, 18:20
This is totally outrageous. How can one be so heartless to burn a child ALIVE. Hindu youths out there, its up to us now, our parents cannot do much anymore, but US KIDS its down to us to hold our nations name HIGH in the air. We must unite and educate one another, we must be there for one another as time goes by quick.
Its such a shame that our pavitra desh is being mortalised yet we dont do anything....come on INDIAN GOVERNMENT AND JUSTICE....WHERE R U????
Pravin, United Kingdom
02 Jul 2007, 19:02
Hi Parvezbhai,
No apology was necessary, but It takes a strong man to apologise. I respect strenght. Your ancestors came to our land as Mogul conquerors, and u should have left when Pakistan was created.
You bombed Delhi Parliament, and London now. Who is fanatic? India is Hindu land, and you throw stones at our Rath Yatra to Mandir. Is that respect? We are not ignorant of Muslims. We know what you guys are up to. Muslim educate me a Hindu to live like a human being? You burn a 14 year old alive, spread Islamic terror worldwide, Mullas preach violence against us in our own country where you are unwanted guests. All Muslims must leave India. Things could change rapidly.
Pravin
Sanjay, United States of America
02 Jul 2007, 19:53
So what should hindu do? complain complain complain ........... and no body is going to take their complain. (because according to left and congress they put themselves as secular party and this is the secular way they are ruling). If no body is going to take complain of hindu then again one day the same thing is going to happen that happen in Gujarat. In Gujarat same was going on until Congress was ruling and when BJP government came all the anger that was in Hindu community due to Congress type secularism vent out during BJP government. And all this so called secular party along with media behave as if some thing same on Gujarat has happen in fact it was happen due to their
santosh t. shete, India (Bharat)
02 Jul 2007, 23:12
this type of email everybudy.
and everybudy send there friends and relatives.
this way knows evrybudy what is happens in india
I was apologizig not to Pravin but to my comments on Hindu history. In my life I "Pay Forward" every chance I get without seeing where the person is a muslim or a hindu. But Mr Pravin has a pass to go to heaven.
Badri, India (Bharat)
03 Jul 2007, 02:16
Let's see this from a human prespective.
1. The act has to be condemned and culprits should be punished - whoever has done it.
2. All muslims are not this bad. If we go behind their psychology, we should ponder "Why are they doing like this?" "Is it in the name of religion some criminals are showing that Islam propogates terror against people who dont follow it?"
This is a direct question. Can any muslim berthen worthy of the name of Islam answer this?
I see that educating the masses about each other's real religion & tolerence is the only way out of this problem.
jeevan kumar chavan, India (Bharat)
03 Jul 2007, 08:20
its too bad what these muslims boys had done...they will have to pay 4 it.............bhaghavan unko kabhi maaf nahin karega........
V.K., India (Bharat)
03 Jul 2007, 12:25
THIS IS REALLY SHAMEFUL,HOW MANY TIMES HINDU WILL KEEP READING AND GIVING HIS VIEWS.OUR INDIAN LEADERS WERE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENCOURAGING MUSLIMS.NOW TIME HAS COME TO TEACH MUSLIMS A HARD & TOUGH LESSON.
sub insp. yatindra sharma, India (Bharat)
03 Jul 2007, 14:07
hinduoon ko unit karo paisa collect karo,
realy i promise one more encounter ,i wll mohmd. criminal .
jai hind
Nishant, India (Bharat)
03 Jul 2007, 14:53
I think its time now for people specially Hindus to wake up and if no one listens they should take law in their hand. No other option, we should not be like Gandhi, Instead if slapped on one cheek, we should retort by giving 2 slaps. This is 21st century, and judgment has to be done either by govt. or by people themselves.
Also for all these atrocities on Hindus, I blame only one family, THE GANDHI'S.
Parvez, India (Bharat)
04 Jul 2007, 02:29
V.K.
03 Jul 2007, 12:25
Please elaborate your statement about teaching muslims a lesson. What kind of lesson. So once again you are talking a religion in general. I would make these same comments if these was addressed towards any religion. Time to learn to live in society.
Parvez, United States of America
04 Jul 2007, 02:34
Nishant
03 Jul 2007, 14:53
How dare you talk against Gandhi. xxxx it you are nothing but a coward. Gandhi gave up his life for India in one life time. You cannot even do a cent of what Gandhi has done in 10,000 years. He was out there without fear. Once again we see ignorance here again. Nishant time to wake up and live in society.
This is very rude kind of incident happened. The innocent child lost his looks and suffered a lot. These dirty inhuman wild criminals should be punished severly. What the hell the West Bengal Govt is doing? Just for vote politics they are safeguarding the muslims there and allowing some criminals to do such kind of wild and inhuman things. I am not pointing to all muslims. But I am commenting on the cruel hearted muslims. This should be strongly condemnable by every indian irrespective of religion.
Please make these dirty congress govt and its alliances who always try to avoid hindus safety and saecurity by voting against atleast in the coming next elections.
Regards,
Indian.
Ritesh Shah,
04 Jul 2007, 06:08
Let us all decide today that we will not support these creatures financially at least, directly or indirectly... I know it is not easy, but we have to do what we can.. If we break them financially, they will be hit the most. What say Uncle Pravin? I think it's time to act seriously on what we have thought. We cannot afford to be burnt alive by some pencilhead terrorists.
I also believe that we need really powerful print as well as Telvision news media, through which we can spread the word, and present the reality of these POOR Pencilheads in front of the world!
WE NEED TO START THE MISSION RIGHT NOW BY FORWARDING THIS MAIL TO AT LEAST 20 PEOPLE EACH,And see the power of multiplication
Ritesh Shah,
04 Jul 2007, 06:28
Mr. Parvez,
I think you are right. Nobody can do in even 10000 years what Gandhi, Nehru, Indira, Sonia & their Congress PUPPIES of all generations have done to India, in less that 100 years..
The Pakistanis staying in India right now, who we call as our MUSLIM BROTHERS, have become a stone in our throat! Neither can we throw it out, nor can we swallow it. This so called Minority is bullying its' way into everything owned by us. Why is it always a coincidence that nearly 99% of all criminals, and 100% of the Terrorists are all MUSLIMS Is there anything wrong with the GENES, or is it the PREACHING, Parvez?
IF IT WERE NOT FOR GANDHI, NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM WOULD HAVE SURIVED 1947. IRONY!
aditya, India (Bharat)
04 Jul 2007, 08:01
Pervez,
Study history of your own men. See what they did in Kashmir. Killed 100000 hindus, raped hindu women for no crime except that they are born as hindus. Tell us why all terrorists are muslims.
Tell us why they refuse to sing vande mataram in india.
Tell us one time when fatwa was issued against terrorists by muslim priests. Tell us one time when muslims gathered to protest against terror attack on India as they do passionately for so called denegration of prophet. Tell us out of all great indian freedom fighters, what % were muslims?
Time for you to accept the truth & change mentality of ur community. We appreciate people like Dr. Abdul Kalam. Ask ur people to follow him
Jai Hind
Aditya,
Every message from Parvez ends with the words LIVE IN SOCIETY. If you have read the article above and if u've been watching around yourself, you must realize what kind of SOCIETY Parvez and his mates expect us to live in.
I swear Parvez, if it were in our hands, we would declare India A HINDU NATION right away, which it actually is.. and make u realize the meaning of a true MINORITY! We all see Hindus in Kashmir & Pakistan.
Wake up my dear. it's always been about the religion in particular. The muslims had started it thousands of years back, & when we're fighting for our religion.
Say VANDE MATARAM Parvez, if u're different from them.
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
04 Jul 2007, 08:57
Aditya,
Every message from Parvez ends with the words LIVE IN SOCIETY. If you have read the article above and if u've been watching around yourself, you must realize what kind of SOCIETY Parvez and his mates expect us to live in.
I swear Parvez, if it were in our hands, we would declare India A HINDU NATION right away, which it actually is.. and make u realize the meaning of a true MINORITY! We all see Hindus in Kashmir & Pakistan.
Wake up my dear. it's always been about the religion in particular. The muslims had started it thousands of years back, & when we're fighting for our religion, u expect us to LIVE IN THE PUCKING SOCIETY.
Say VANDE MATARAM Parvez, if u're different from them.
Parvez, United States of America
04 Jul 2007, 12:07
aditya
04 Jul 2007, 08:01
Majority of Kashmir problem are created by outsiders. Want to blame someone for allowing outside terrorist to enter Kashmir blame The government. And if was not for unity that we had we would have never been free.Today we have no unity and as a nation we are all being divided by Fanatic religious people like few of them above. While we are fighting among the same country country like china is getting ahead of India financially. So lets continue fighting among ourselves. I was brought up right by my parents to respect all religion and not to blame criminals by religion, apparently lot of above were brought up to hate muslim. Education also plays a key role.
Parvez, United States of America
04 Jul 2007, 12:09
Stuff magazine denigrates Hindu deities!
Well now will any one find out who the editor is and call them christian or hindu terrorist or is this also done by muslims in usa.
Do you think think that this can be the root of the present problems? Al-Quran?Please check the source.Pervez please comment.
Surah 9, ayat 5, the Quran says, When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.
Surah 2, ayat 193, it again says,Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allahs religion reigns supreme.
Surah 9, ayat 123, exhorting Muslims to make war on infidels 16 who dwell around you, it says, Let them find harshness in you.
In surah 8, ayat 12, the Koran exhorts the Muslims to strike off the heads of the non-Muslims and to maim them in every limb.
skh.pcola, United States of America
04 Jul 2007, 21:32
I agree with SUNIL MEHTA. The time is well past that Hindus and all other religious peoples band together to repel the Muslim invaders. As what's-his-name above is so fond of saying, "You are talking about an entire religion." Yes, that is right. Muslims everywhere tacitly approve of terroristic, murderous acts like this one when they do not speak up about it.
Until some Muslims denounce the violence of their ideological brethren, the religion is one homogeneous blob of evil and ill-will. Look around the globe at all of the violence and wars. It is almost solely caused by Islam. Evil. Islam. The two go together. Hindus need to start fighting back, or there will be no Hindus.
Parvez, United States of America
04 Jul 2007, 21:33
Dear K Ghosh. Quran has been written and re-written and again by different countries with different meaings, similar to all other religions mis-interpeting words and to their own evel benefits. my kuran does nto say as per above, but I will ask someone who has vast more knowledge in Islam than I do. Are you educated or brought up hating muslims. Times are different now from mid evil days when war was occuring very often. So it i his high time everyone wakes up and moves on from this stupid religion war an ignorance. Surah 9, ayat 5 as per you, this was in that time period when enemies had surrounded muslims and during holy month they stopped everything to pray and to fast.
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
04 Jul 2007, 22:48
Parvez,
u say that it shouldn't be about 1 religion...
Then why your Muslim Terrorists have killed only Hundreds of thousands hindus in kashmir?
U say that we must mention Samrat as "1 innocent boy instead of Hindu boy" - can u tell me who burnt him & why? why they didn't burn a muslim boy? Muslims burnt him, to drive away Hindus from their village.
Why did u burn coachful of hindus to death at Godhra?
It's always been about the religion dear boy, we have always been living in peace. it was u who stabbed us back in 1947 by demanding Pakistan. India is for hindus & u better find some good place to hide, coz u're gonna have some real tough time ahead.
U need to open ur eyes & look in your society. keep some of ur preaching for ur mullas when they talk about KAFIRS. I guess u never pay attention to what they teach u in masjid!
We have paid enough price for trying to live with u. Now we're not prepared to compromise on our rights & safety.
this issue startd cos of an innocent boy being burnt alive.feel sry 4 him.bt the thng is hardly ppl care 4 nebody.n start their own dicussion on religion.
hvnt v evr heard of a hindu guy burning his own wife alive due to dowry.n dnt tell me tht its also related to religion.hvnt v heard a muslim killing another muslim???
is tht due to religion???
its cos v humans r degrading our levels n going to the level of animals killing each other bt v r smart enof to put the blame on religion.
evy religion is sacred n pure.
its nt the religion whch is asking ppl to do crimes.its common ppl like us who make it murkier day after day by speaking abt it n creating communal tensions all over our own country.(Hindus need to realise that in Muslim religion any non Muslim is an infidel (Kafir) meant to be converted or killed.This act by the Muslims is an example of this. - Editor)
siddharth sharma, India (Bharat)
05 Jul 2007, 14:20
Sir,
i read this story...and the first thought that came into my mind is..horrible!...in a nation...where 80% population is of hindus..if nything of this sort happens..its a shame for every hindu..we always keep on pointing towards communists and muslims..but the point is wat r we doing to control them..we are doing nothing..we cant blame ny1..but us...wat is happening to us???y are we forgetting that we are the sons of aryans..aryans who ruled this country b4 anyone else....y are we forgetting mahabharata?? the most deadliest war ever happened??we must stand and fight these muslims..i m ready..is anybody there to help me???
vande mataram
sarang, India (Bharat)
05 Jul 2007, 14:24
Wake up Indian , Unity is only Solution
Tit for tat if u wants do sumthing
Dr. Balaram Kaimal, India (Bharat)
05 Jul 2007, 14:54
Yes, it is indeed shame and cruel too. But why do not the Hindu Jagriti people try to unveil it in front of the Indian Parliament? Now we have enough MPs in Loksabha and Rajya Sabha. Even if Viswa HIndu Parishad knows about this, they will react. Kindly answer me. This incident should lead to a movement.
-balu
Hi. Please look above here, and read carefully my comment of 30 Jun 2007, 06:23.
Please contact me. I have posted further comments here, but for obvious reasons, HJS have thusfar been unable to approve my article for publication.
Pravin
Parvez,
05 Jul 2007, 18:56
Ritesh Shah
04 Jul 2007, 22:48
Parvez,
I am not responcible for anyones actions. Are u in your right mind. Are you responcible for what happenes to any hindus? I dont know those criminals why they burned a boy not a hindu but a human being. If I was there I would have jumped in to save him without looking at what religion is doing what. Why did I burn Godhra?. Was I there, no I was not. When americans are raped in USA by hindu no one comes out and says why all you hindus did this. Get real in life.Now you are telling me better or else tough times. Listen do me kid. VANDE MATARAM. Dont ever threaten me, if you throw a rock at me, you better run. Read next message.
Narendra Patel, India (Bharat)
06 Jul 2007, 03:19
This is minority. This encident dicide the future relation with non-hindu people (animal).
vandit saxena, India (Bharat)
06 Jul 2007, 04:33
its not shocking that these that these ignorant islamic followers r indulging in shameful n shenanigan activities.....
but wat surprises me is when Hindu's conscious is gonna awake,wen they shall stop abnegating theie evrything just to maintain that stupid . "ahimsa",peace,decency n decorum of placid,serine n divine "hidutva"
Bangladesh Khelafat Andolon has received copy of a mail via Human Rights Forum (HRF) regarding persecution of a Hindu family and setting fire on an young member of the family by miscreants. The miscreants are unfortunately ethnic Muslims. The victim family is reported to have migrated from Satkhira-Bangladesh to Basanti of 24 Parganas, West Bengal, India.
Whenever any incident of persecution or criminal offence takes place it is the obligation of the concerned administration to apprehend the perpetrators irrespective of their religious or political identity. Bangladesh Khelafat Andolon confirms its sympathy and support to the victims. Founding father of Bangladesh Khelafat Andolon Late Hazrat Maulana Mohammadullah Hafezzi Huzur (Peace be upon him) said, "Muslims are my brethren in Faith, while non-Muslims are my kin, since we are all children of Adam and Hawa (Peace be upon them)."
We want an end to communal hatred in the Sub-continent. We sincerely want an end to migration for communal reasons. We support genuine efforts of virtuous people and organizations to generate mutual trust and compassion among different communities for peaceful co-existence and development as brotherly and friendly neighbors.
MAYUR DAVE, India (Bharat)
06 Jul 2007, 11:15
Respected Sir,
The fishermen, who are related with fishing, are very poor & uneducated. There is no fixed boarder in the costal areas. So, the Pakistan cost guards are taking undue advantage of it and captured our poor Indian fishermen. So many poor fishermen are captured by the Pakistan and they are still in the jail from more than 1 year. The fishermen are live in very unhygienic environment. The jail officers are treating extreme level of cruelty with fishermen. The family members of poor fishermen are facing too much difficulty. The have not enough money to run their houses. Nowadays our Indian delegations are in the Pakistan for discussion to release them from the jail. Pakistani cost guard knows about this delegation. Behalf of this on dated 10st December, 2006 Pakistan cost-guard has captured 7 boats with 36 fishermen and on 23rd , 2006 again 10 boats with more than 60 fishermen from the Gujarat costal area. So, there are more than 600 fishermen still in the jail of Pakistan.
In this matter Government of Gujarat has informed to foreign affairs department in so many times and also face to face. B.J.P. members of parliament Shree Haribhai Patel and Shree Pushpdan Ghadavi met our foreign minister Natwar Sinh and Secretary Arun Sinh on the issue to release our fishermen from Pakistan. But still the fishermen are not released.
So, I request behalf of 5 crore. People of Gujarat to all N.G.O.s & N.H.R.C. & related person and whole the world that pls. help to release those fishermen from Pakistan jail. I hope that you all will take action soon and listen their urge.
Thank You,
Mayur Dave.
Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India.
Pravin, United Kingdom
06 Jul 2007, 13:47
Kazi Azizul Huq describes these attackers as "miscreants" for political conenience when he is aware this was an orchestrated attack by a whole gang of Muslims on an Indian boy - the use of word "miscreants" would be correct if this gang of Muslims had attacked a Muslim child. He defends and "justifies" the undefendable as only a Muslim will for another - he has my respect for that.
This cannot be simply dismissed as a "criminal offence" - this was a well planned attack on an Indian child by Muslims.
Communal "hatered" will end just as soon as Muslims living in India accept the Indian culture, live as goods guests on our country, and not get involved in Indian politics.
Pravin
Parvez, United States of America
06 Jul 2007, 13:56
I guess u've run out of ur mind. First of all, when I said "u" it was supposed to be for muslims in general. I don't have any way to find out whether or not u burnt the child or the coach.
Secondly, I really liked the way u avoided some of my questions. Can a rational person be so upset with a 14 year old boy as to burn him with gasoline? just imagine, there were 20 of those monsters there. What other motive can you come up with, better than a communal one? it certainly couldn't be SELF DEFENCE, or an act of momentary rage. I know u would have jumped right in, but we are talking about the mentality of a group of 20 people COINCIDENTLY of the same religion. I'm not talking about saving that kid, I'm saying how could they attack him in the first place.
u still haven't commented on the crime ratios and KAFIR factor. The Godhra massacre should be forgotten, but the riots will be remembered forever. I have seen truckload of Muslims roaming in the streets of Mumbai, with open swords when The prophet's painting had been subjeted to disrespect in Denmark, these things reflect the mass psychology of a community.
My comments were not for u personally. They were for the Muslim mentality in general. Obviously there's space for a few exceptions. It was just that I was in rage & u were handy, just like that kid...
Parvez, United States of America
07 Jul 2007, 16:51
UUUUUU means me. So before finding out who it is not say U. I am not avoiding any question, what did I avoid. I am very upset also, as I have stated before i would at any cost jump in to help any one form being burned. These monsters needs to be life sentence or hanged for their evil deeds. How could they attack. I dont know, but I can say is these individuals needs to be punished severaly. I dont hae numbers so I cannot comment. ANyone that kills anyone or does above evil deeds is not a muslim in my eyes. I am wiht you rgaridng Denmark, but what is someone dis-respects your religion and as we have seen the riots which is also not justified and burning of train read next message.
Parvez, United States of America
07 Jul 2007, 16:56
Ritesh Shah
07 Jul 2007, 16:07
Majority of Kafir from my views are from Afghan who have travelled to Kashmir and pakistan and pakistan has its share of kafir along wiht Iran and Iraq where from day one of a kids life the religions heads teaches them to hate anyone who is not a muslim. Apparently that is not what is taught a major part in India or in USA. These orthodox relgions head are not muslims but are terrorist themselves making it hard for simple life living muslim living in India. Incident of train burning was set up my politicians in India and the burning was also started by chamchas of politicians. Imagine if I came to a village of hindus and started preaching Islam.
Pravin, United Kingdom
08 Jul 2007, 06:13
Parvezbhai seems to be a moderate Muslim, and appears to express thoughts which seem to be his genuine feelings - if so, it is worthy of respect.
There are political discussions, no need to get upset, but listen to the views however strong they may be and reply calmly.
The fact remains unchanged that Muslims are our guests in India, and must behave accordingly in their host country. (Note here the absence of words I had used earlier - we too are moderate).
Why do Muslims demand the huge subsidy for their Hajj pilgrimage then? Indians object to that. Can you answer that question for all of us here?Islamic charities should fund this - not Indians.
Pravin
islam is based on terror, hatered, violence and everything negative. muslims can never be moderate as koran is not moderate nor compassionate.
K.iyengar, India (Bharat)
09 Jul 2007, 03:25
india blongs to all the citizens of india....nt a particular religion cos india is a secular country n no1 can deny tht...
if v the oldest of histories....india wud only blong to dravidians ie south indians.....n all the aryans ie our so cald north indiansn non south indians wud b outsiders....wen v dravidians dnt hv ne prob with including north ppl in india then no1 else shud hv.....so dnt dig the history....live in present moment....
this ws to the reference to Mr.Pravin's comment on who all blong to india.....
Pravin, United Kingdom
09 Jul 2007, 06:06
K. Iyengar perhaps misunderstands the deeper thoughts I try to project here.
Peoples of all faiths, except Muslim faith living in India who live under Sharia, are citizens of India as they all accept to live under Indian law passed by paliament, and do not insist to live by the preachings of The Gita, The Bible or The Guru Granth Shahib for example.
I refered to a little history in reply to someone elses comment here. It the future I talk about, and the threat to secular India posed by Muslims, who are not Indians.
I respect moderation, but too much moderation, and you will be over-run by Muslims and Islamic law in 60 years, which is ok for you if you are a Muslim.
Pravin
Krisna, Indonesia
09 Jul 2007, 06:35
Dear K. Iyengar,
Aryan and Dravidians were a creation designed by Max Muller, a white man who appeared to be in love of our Hindu culture. Well, the sad fact that he did not. He was a German missionary working for the good of the British Empire. He was trying to lure our Hindu brothers and sisters to Christianity and create superiority of the Europeans and the inferiority of the Indians. We Hindus are high civilized people with high civilized culture.
So there is no need to hear from any white man to tell us who we were and what we were.
Be strong little Samrat, payback time is just around the corner !
Dear HINDU Citizen of India,
Now it is time to be alert. What I explain you it is not a joke. So, All the HINDUS of our great India kindly give your valuable attention on this matter immediately. Sir, it will probable to face worst situation in future means for our next generation due to creation of instability in present situation of population of different religion against HINDU population in India. If other religion population will be increased in future it definitely affects on our next new generation. They will definitely face so many problems due to these situations. The policy of CONGRESS government that “We two & our one” is only for the HINDUS not for minority. The minority are taking advantages of all the benefits of Indian law. Why minority are not implementing this policy of central government in this controversy? So, prepare to do definitely something for our new HINDU generation and also give inspiration to our other HINDU people. Now it is time to adopt new slogan that “We two & our five”. We have to pressurize our government for points which are given bellow.
I. Central & State government have to develop special uniform population policy for all the religions except HINDU religion which will control on minority population with same rate of hindu religion.
II. Only HINDUS can get benefit of reservation in the entire sectors means reservation quota only for HINDUS.
III. Give mandate to all the state Governments to construct law related to anti-religion conversion.
IV. Government has to create effective control on continuous flow of money which is coming from foreign countries constantly especially from Muslim counties?
V. Construct law to stop on constant infiltration from BANGLADESH and have to take strong action against citizen of Bangladesh who is now living in our great India.
All the citizen of India will write letter related for those above points to our president, Prime Minister & Home Minister. It is feelings of our country.
I hope that you all the citizen of India will express their feelings by writing a letter as soon as possible.
Thank You,
Mayur Dave
Ahmedabad, Gujarat,India….
Pravin, United Kingdom
09 Jul 2007, 13:09
Hi Mayure,
You write with anger, and from the depth of your heart - a commendable thing to do however, it will not happen.
People in India are fighting to earn enough for their daily roti, and it is upto men like us to carry this forward, with strength, but with moderation too. Just talking on here is actually quite unproductive, although talk we must, and inspire we must - but frustratingly, its going nowhere.
Why dont you have a look at all my comments above? Please do .....
HJS work on here with their "wings clipped" by law, and have to tread a cautious path. They are doing their bit.
Pravin
Ritesh Shah,
10 Jul 2007, 06:22
For more Open and Free discussions, I have created a community on ORKUT "AGGRESSIVE HINDUS" anyone interested can join and we can discuss without any fear of our views modified or Deleted.
Ramnath, India (Bharat)
10 Jul 2007, 06:54
It's Shame for all of us being Hindu, What the Govt is doing talking about secularism etc, The worst part is non us comming openly and speaking against such incident & even worst is our meadia never reported it. Only sloution is There should be Hinduarmy which can take action. Last The voting rightof muslims in this country taken back & given sperate identiy card for them.
But the so clled secular parties of our country is giving reservation to them on relgious based In Andhra 5% & In Tamil nadu 4% is where next .
Shame shame on inclding me we are mear spectators & writeing mils that all we are doing.
shashi bhushan verma, India (Bharat)
11 Jul 2007, 08:21
Please forward the Complain to the President. We all are united and sure to die for the noble cause if requirered.
All supports to Our brother. Will assist any all causes for upliftment of Hindus.
Pravin,
11 Jul 2007, 18:37
Shashi Bhushan Verma,
Complain all you like Shashi, and to whomsoever you like - do you think that the President of India does not know?? It would be naive to assume that -he knows - and does not care!
The people of India, the Hindus & Sikhs need to do something - and that for sure is not to complain, but to come together.
But hey, someone might just come along - unless is all of us here?
Pravin
Parvez, United States of America
12 Jul 2007, 00:48
Pravin
08 Jul 2007, 06:13
Appreciate respect.
Guests Remember the history of India Pakistan is only different as far as politics thats all. Recently I saw maha bharat and ravan and other hindu religious history. Why is there so much killing there in your past. Chopping off necks of females and undress of sari of forgot name. WHy is is there beheading of same religion and so many wars where innocent family are being crushed under elephants and burned alive. Why why why.
Regarding muslim pilgrimage I dont have answer so I cannot just cannot make a story.
Parvez
Parvez, United States of America
12 Jul 2007, 00:51
K.iyengar
09 Jul 2007, 03:25
You have said is perfectly and with lot of knowledge. So lets stop fighting and make India rich, if we keep on fighting businesses will start to pull out of India in no time. Recently lot of US companies are already in Phillipines and more going there for business. So time to wake up and please dontt be dumm.
• From 1947 to 2007,there are so many riots taken place in different states of HINDUSTAN like the 1984 Shikh's riots in Delhi, bombay riots and J & K, Panjab, Assam, Misoram riots... Why N.G.O. & N.H.R.C. have not taken interest not in all this riots than why only on Gujarat riots?
• Gujarat has also faced so many communal riots not only in 2005, but at the time of CONGRESS was ruling in 1969 & 1985&1991, the riots had also taken place and so many innocent people were killed in these riots. At that time where were the N.G.O.'S & N.H.R.C.?
• Sonia Gandhi had told at the time of her visit in Gujarat in riots that "THIS IS THE GUJARAT OF GODSE." Was it right word for motherland of Ghandhiji?
• So many N.G.O. had told Rapist, robbers to the 5 crore GUJARATIES. Not a single politician of CONGRESS party had opposed.
• There are so many people killed in riots like in Assam, so many BIHARIES were killed, why the case is not run outside of Assam? and also question about N.G.O.'S & N.H.R.C.
• There are so many cases charged against the terrorist in Panjab & J &K why the cases are not run outside the respective staes?
• Why N.H.R.C & N.G.O. have no voice in other state and why only Gujarat?
• In the case of Hindu religion leader shree Shankaracharya, there are also demaded that the case should run outside the Tamilnadu, why the case is not running in outside the state?
• N.G.O. are interested in only GUJARAT because when earthquake came in Gujarat in 2001, at that time N.G.O. had collected so many finance & other helpes from N.R.I. & Domestic N.R.I. They have not used the properly utilised the fund. Government of Gujarat have asked for the audit report from the N.G.O. so, they are hidding thier melafied intentions so they are changing the issues frequently and they are insulted 5 crore people of Gujarat.
• In 1991, U.P. CM Mr. Mulayam Sinh Yadav had openly ordered to shoot Hindu Kar Sevak at that time where were the all N.G.O.'S & also N.H.R.C.?
• Tista Shetalvad had high-jacked the Zahira Shekh and she had given diffrent statemenst and mis-lead the Gujarat high Court. The Honorable Justice had insulted so badly. Is it not a insult of JUTICE?
• Zaheera still confence that she had never meet Madhu Shrivastav. The investigation should made on the TEHALKA episode.
• Pls. stop all the drama about to insult Gujarat & 5.50 crore poeple of Gujarat.
Thank You,
Mayur Dave.
Ahmedabad, Gujarat.
somraj, India (Bharat)
12 Jul 2007, 12:25
BEING A CITIZEN OF WEST BENGAL I CAN SAY ONLY 3 WORDS -'xxxx THE COMMUNISTS LEADER'
OTHER WISE WE CANT STOP THE MUSLIM AGGRETION IN WEST BENGAL.
BEING A STUDENT OF LAW I SHALL SAY ONLY 4 WORDS="COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT IS ILLEGAL"
BEING A HINDU I SHALL SAY ONLY 6 WORDS="HINDUTWABADIES NEED TO xxxx THE COMMUNISTS"
JOY SREE RAM
Pravin, United Kingdom
12 Jul 2007, 18:42
Parvezbhai Nameste,
I am neither religious, nor am I a scholar of Hinduism. I am interested in current & future affairs where you now export Islamic terror in the name of India. Lets forget the past.
I havent asked why your Mogul ancestors invaded & pxxxxered my ancestoral Hindu land, or why you bombed innocents in the Twin Towers in the USA; Yet you chose to ask us about the Maha Bharat, the disrobing of mata Draupadi, and the slaying of Devil Ravan to stop him terrorising the world. Saviours appeared from nowhere to save Maa Draupadi & slayed Ravan.
You skilfully refrain talking about Muslim killing Muslim today-Suni & Shia, yet you ask me why about our Hindu history?
Pravin
Pravin, United Kingdom
12 Jul 2007, 18:56
Parvezbhai says: " Remember history of India Pakistan is only different as far as politics thats all"
Not so. India is a Hindu land, Pakistan is an Islamic state. Matter against anti-matter.
You say: " K.iyengar You have said is perfectly and with lot of knowledge. So lets stop fighting and make India rich etc .."
Wrong again. First, close all the Islamic Madrassas in India & send your children to normal schools. Mullas are preaching hatered against our country where you are our guests. You refuse to sing our National Anthem-why? Because you are Pakistanis living in our land.
Muslims worldwide need to stand up against your Mullas & challenge the terror they preach.
Bawaj gusso che tamara magaj ma. Dost, mane contact to karo yaar!
Thodik gup chup to karien, ke nai?
Pravin
Parvez, United Kingdom
14 Jul 2007, 01:53
I have highest respect of hindu religion and want to learn more and more, I am not trying ot insult anyone just trying to understand why?. What turns one human to kill another?. How can you say hindu as the first religion in India. Mogul ancestors were ignorant people who had nothing better to do than conquer country's. They won as there was no unity in India, just like today. I am not being at all tricky. My kuran says anyone that kills anyone is not a muslim. Do you understand. I cannot control anyone from calling themselves muslim. I am against what happened to twin towers and if I was in new york, I would have jumped to help out without looking at where it is a hindu or a different relig
Parvez, United States of America
14 Jul 2007, 01:58
Pravin
12 Jul 2007, 18:56
matter against anti matter. Remember one thing they history of world was at one time there was no such thing as a hindu or muslim. Your mine everyone used to see their owners and kings as gods. No one is a pure. We are all impure that is why there is never any unity in this world. i went to a chirstian school an I am against sending my kids to islamic school. I want my kids to learn to rspect all religions which is a tradition in my family. Something you shold do in life and move forward. Listen I am not in your country. It is our country.We had a mullah in usa who done things against our wishes and he was kicked out. Continue in next message.
satya, India (Bharat)
14 Jul 2007, 02:20
This is really pathetic,this is the beast side of mankind.
I just can't believe such a things r still in our society.
God will never forgive them!!!! if anyway find the victim bfore me i will not excuse him.....
It is really pathetic.It shows the beast side of mankind.
God will never forgive them!!!!
If any way i find the accused bfore me i will not excuse him.........
Anjali, India (Bharat)
14 Jul 2007, 04:23
Its a matter to shame to all the Hindus....
Somewhere in the comments we are saying the government to do something....
We must remember that we are the people who chose the leaders and with our attitude guided by greed, lust we divide ourselves and the people who donot deserve deserve become leaders and national leaders. It we who should realize, we who should do it rather than saying Help and someone should do something until then we will be just easy pickings and we also know that we are Doomed to extinction. TILL THEN HINDUS CAN NEVER STAND AGAINST ISLAM.
Yogeesh S. Rao, India (Bharat)
15 Jul 2007, 04:00
This is really Bad. I don't know when muslims will change their attitude. These people don't have guts. In the region where muslims are living with more population their only they will dominate hindus. But in other places they are very affraid. Please change your attitude... Be like a man not like woman........
HI THE ONLY WAY OF PROTECTING INDIA IS BY DISCOURAGING THE OTHER RELIGIONS
AND I BELIEVE IN VIOLENCE
jaga, India (Bharat)
15 Jul 2007, 08:57
every body scolded it wont work man we shld help them right plz give the adress of the guy where i can send some money to him & help him to get well back soon plz who all given send some money it will help full to them
Pravin, United Kingdom
15 Jul 2007, 12:25
Ashwin says:
" HI THE ONLY WAY OF PROTECTING INDIA IS BY DISCOURAGING THE OTHER RELIGIONS "
Yes - ok - agree..India is a Hindu state. We must bring in a nationalistic Hindu government who will declare India a Hindu state with Hinduism as its official religion (Just like Pakistan is an Islamic State). I guess that is what you mean?
You then say: "AND I BELIEVE IN VIOLENCE"
No Ashwin - although I too am a "right of centre" thinker myself, I do not agree that violence is the way forward - that IS the difference between us Hindus & Muslims who want to convert India into an Islamic state.
I say vote out the Congress led Muslim sustained Government out in favour of BJP.
Pravin
Praveen Kanakam, India (Bharat)
15 Jul 2007, 13:43
The xxxxxxxx who are committing such Incidents should be Shot in front of a huge assembly.. These Islamic extremists are causing irresistiveness to the whole world..
Yes you are right Parvez, Hindu was not the first religion in India. The first religion in India was called Sanatana Dharma.
And do you know what kind of God did the people those days glorify?
It is the same God that the Hindus of India and any other Hindus all around the world glorifies today and everyday...
I bet you will ask, " How come I've never heard of this religion ? "
Well, you do now...
sujeet tiwari, India (Bharat)
15 Jul 2007, 23:36
Hey guys ,spread link of this site/page all muslims of pakistan not of INDIA so that they know whats happening here......
vishal dixit, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 02:03
time to unite all hindus agnst these xxxxxxxx. where r d stupid so called secularists & 'human right' people.. it is shame that such incidents r taking place in our country.. we should retaliate them...
vande mataram!!!!!!!!1
sameer, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 02:05
No comments!
this worst thing is not for comment, its for action.
its not new frnds.. everyday we come to hear such news through newspapers n other articles...we , the young generation guys, will have to take some hard steps against this impotent goverment policies n its protectors...
enough is enough now.. till what time they will continue to harass in the name pseudo-secularism... it is shame for our country n for us...
we should get ready to fight against this terror at any cost...
its futile to blame any government..its we who r the real culprint...its we who elect them n send to the HOUSE..
so get ready guys.....
WAKE UP . WAKE UP GUYS!!! IF U WILL NOT WAKE UP NOW THEN WHEN WILL U WAKE UP....
manish, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 03:00
Very Shamefull act!!!!
Shame on Local Police and the Left Govt.....
But i am telling you everyone will pay for this...Central Govt...State Govt and the Police....alll
Narinder Punj, United Kingdom
16 Jul 2007, 04:39
"laathi paekhon....bandhook uthaoo"...the call has come!!.."jai hind"
anil kumar, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 04:48
Its shame on our part to not do anything.. sorryy for the happening..
shailendra singh bais, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 05:49
Jaago Hindu, Jaago
Pratham Sadh, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 06:26
i am a hindu and even being a hindu i am saying all muslims arent bad its few of them not all who do bad stuff though this is very sad to hear the boy was burnt i think we should protest and hold morchas do strikes and demand the imprisonment of the culprits.
sunil mishra, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 08:02
That's the true picture of hindus in INDIA. Believe it or not hindus are not safe in their own country. Hindusthan is the place where hindus lived. But now this face of other communities shows that the Govt. and other machinery engaged in protection of human rights are about to fail as they could not do anything justified with the innocent hindu boy. SHAME ON THE GOVT. & SHAME ON OTHER ENGAGED MACHINERIES IN PROTECTION OF HUMANS & THEIR RIGHTS. I think now the need is to awake the hindus again from deep sleep and to protect theirselves by their own power and tact.
Are your souls dead? I have a home in 24 Parganas and my family has been there since 1971, but since the past few years my grandfather has been cpmplaining of ISLAMIC terrorism ther and about instances of unrest.
My sincere ples to all my Hindu brothers and sisters is to RISE AND FIGHT for your rights. This community is based on violence and intolerance. Their basic aim is to wipe out Hindus.
Remember...fellow citizens...we gave them a run for their life during the Mumbai riots in 1993.......where is that sprit today? Dont let these animals get you... lets unite and finish them off.....
HINDU.......AND PROUD OF IT.
Ashutosh Seetha, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 11:09
What is happening in India, Jaago aur Hindustan ki aawaj bano.
Ashutosh Seetha
bureaucratsnews.com
Darshan, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 12:40
Hi brothers,
I think we must stop discussing of what we can say a waste of time instead of blaming Muslims if we really want to do something then first of all we must try to take up the matter and punish those people legally who had burnt the little boy without thinking about HINDU-MUSLIM...... we all religion are the pillars and himalayas of our nation and we must only see that the accused must be punished either Hindu or Muslim.
Jai Hind
Himalya Makkad, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 12:56
I am also a Hindu and those who are in favour of Muslims, I am against them. A conclusion of all this matter is "Every
Muslim is not a terrorist but every terrorist is a Muslim". Jai Hind.
Wat's going on in India..? we r in 21st century still hindu,muslim fight exists..Central govt should wake up..
Sabari Raj.J
[Chennai,TN]
gautam dhamija, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 14:50
jagega ab hindu jagega.......
hindu saumya hai shant hai....dhairya hai ismein....
par ab sab seemaien par ho chuki hain....
ab to chaheye laat se ya baat se is sarkar ko sikhana hi padega..... vande matram
Amruta, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 15:30
Ab Dekha nahi jata.
Jago aur dikhado Hindustan ki ekta.
chandu, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 17:20
this should stopped as only govt is responsible for this because giving freeness to muslims omly for sake of votes.....
Chaudhari Dhananjay, India (Bharat)
16 Jul 2007, 22:56
Only one solution is there which our kind hearted and mercyful indians will never accept.Throw them out once and all orelse get ready for one more partition.Or else this would be an never ending problem.Another solution is keep forget all and get back to work.
HREDESH, India (Bharat)
17 Jul 2007, 00:30
this is horrible.and wake up call of all of us.we call our country a secular one and this is the result .what are the people and authorities of bengal are doing...if a sanatan dharmi [hindu] is not safe in bharat than where else will he go ...i think such animals should be burnt xxxx and xxxxxxxx
Ritesh Shah,
17 Jul 2007, 04:10
Hello Parvezbhai,
long time we haven't spoken. First of all, I would really like to appreciate your intentions of JUMPING IN wherever something bad happens to someone. But my dear, we cannot be everywhere. These Muslim Terrorists have spread all accross the world.
We want to save India from these Islamic Terrorists. For that we need to neutralize the Muslims who support them. (Remember Exceptions) We seek the support of rational muslims like you for this matter. I hope you are with us in this mission of saving Bharat from these Fanatic Islamic Terrorists.
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
17 Jul 2007, 04:38
Parvez,
U say that India & Pakistan share the same history!
I strongly agree with this statement of yours because it was only Bharat previously. But this theory has 1 confusion. Plz don't take it personally.
What if I say that u are genetically a hindu. U are a Muslim right now because of one of your Brahmin Encestors got converted because of the fear of the Mogul Invaders. If you have any counterarguement, plz tell me.
I believe that the Muslims in India are Useless sons of the soil, who don't realize the connection they have with this country & it's original SANATAN DHARM they once belonged to.
They want everything SEPARARTE, but still they want to remain a part of us.Nonsense
"For that we need to neutralize the Muslims who support them. (Remember Exceptions) We seek the support of rational muslims.....etc"
Regretfully, there is no such thing as "rational Muslims", because rational to us means one thing; Rationality by Muslim is judged within the confines of preachings in their Kuran.
The few voices of moderate Muslims are drowned out by their violent majority-Parvezbhai himself will not challenge his Mulla's preaching extreme ideas, because deep down he believes in these preachings himself - he is of course a Muslim.
How therefore Risesh, are we to "remember exceptions"? - Parvezbhai APPEARS to be that-where is the proof?
Pravin
Sanket, India (Bharat)
17 Jul 2007, 06:49
WEST BENGAL GOVT SLEEPING LIKE POLAR BEAR. A CHILD SET FIRE BECAUSE OF RELIGION. THE COMMUNITY WHICH KEEPS ON SAYING THAT THEY ARE MINOR DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE DANCING ON SOME OTHERS SIGNAL LIKE A PUPPET THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR OWN THINKING. SO U CAN JUST LAUGH ON THEIR MENTALITY AND NOTHING CAN TAKE AWAY THE MENTAL AND PHYSICAL PAIN THE BOY IS SUFFERING . BEST WISHES WITH HIM..
Ritesh Shah,
17 Jul 2007, 08:32
Dear Pravin Uncle,
I am sorry to say that this post was supposed to have an undertone of SARCASM in it, but apparently it sounded to be quite timid instead of sarcastic. If you check my immidiate post, you will know how much love and faith I have in muslims.
I have to admit that I am rather good when I'm direct. I'll leave the Sarcastic writing to you. The HAMMER is my better weapon. Pen is yours. :-)
Watch it Parvez, I think we'll have to argue HEAD ON. I'm not too good with moderate writing.
Rohit, India (Bharat)
17 Jul 2007, 09:23
it's really a shame for such people. jao chullu bhar pani mein dub kar mar jaoooo kutto
this is di ri8 time 2 b unite 2 all di hindus......come on....
vipin, India (Bharat)
17 Jul 2007, 13:30
This is rediculas at leat ab to hamare leaders ko thodi sharam aani chahiye..
Parvez, United States of America
17 Jul 2007, 14:30
Krisna
15 Jul 2007, 23:30
This comment goes out to Parvez,
Sanatana Dharma no my dear There is no history when human were living in tribes and no god to worship on.We all were running around like animals. One of the oldest history mentions sun. They usd to worship their kings as gods. I get you did not know that. Just like in Egypt and other countries. There was also lot of witch doctors that they used to workship. Any more questions.
Parvez, United States of America
17 Jul 2007, 14:33
Pratham Sadh
16 Jul 2007, 06:26
A well educated knowledge comment. Be careful, Hindu's might outcast you and call you a muslim. I wish there were more normal people like you on specially this site and in the world.
Parvez, United States of America
17 Jul 2007, 14:43
Ritesh Shah
17 Jul 2007, 04:10
Hello Parvezbhai,
long time we haven't spoken
Yes we cannot be everywhere, but instead of making more hate in world why dont we all donate money to catch these people and put them in jail. Blame is on India who allowed afghans to come in to India and around the world. I am with you all the way. We all and NRI should write to Indian government abou this matter. Terrorism in India has expanded by fanatic muslim and immigrants from Afghan who in turn paid poor muslims to cause problems in name of Religion. I AM WITH ALL HUMANS who are civilized and not fanatic.
Parvez, United States of America
17 Jul 2007, 14:48
Ritesh Shah
17 Jul 2007, 04:38
Parvez,
Nothng personl, I only know about 4 genrations of mine who are all muslims. We still go to temples or any hindu functions. I dont have knowledge of muslim in india to the soil, just my friends and relatives feel th same like me about respect for other religions. Afghanista, pakistan and TV media are playing a active role in talking andshowing bad about Muslim and killings. Now with tv even in villages more violence is in Indias future. While China is united and getting richer we are on the brace of collapse in future by fighting among India.My doctor shut down his lab in India but to violence amont Indians.
Parvez, United States of America
17 Jul 2007, 14:57
Pravin
17 Jul 2007, 05:18
Ritesh says:
I speak out everytime I hear anything against any religion, in my mosque we do not shame other religions. How do I challange what is taught in Iran or somewhere else. I am aginst violence unless someone touches me or I feel threatened. How can you judge me believe in preaching of my religion not IN BURNING OR KILLING ANYONE. Your thinking is very low in life, its disgrace. Where is your proof, are you against all muslims.
Parvez, United States of America
17 Jul 2007, 15:00
Ritesh Shah
17 Jul 2007, 08:32
Dear Pravin Uncle
WATCH IT PARVEZ, what did I say to offend you. Please RESPOND. Is this a threat.
that "WATCH IT" was just to remind you of my own writing style. It has made you feel offended before. I tried my hand at moderate and sarcastic writing here, but found that I'm better with straight acidic writing, which may offend some people, but ultimately is very effective.
U ask us about the violence in our history, there are DIVINE & EVIL forces in the world. There were fights among them. Obviously they all had to kill Hindus only, because the Muslims did not even exist at that time. The way u described the violence, my dear, u were talking of a WAR. This is how wars are meant to be. Are the muslims at war with the civilized world, for what bloodshed they are spreading right now is only approving that. In my next post, I'll come up with some facts n figures to support this statement.
JAI SHRI RAM
Krisna, Indonesia
18 Jul 2007, 01:06
Parvez,
Regret very much to say that India is different to Egypt.
Although both of these civilization had great heritage but India advanced much better. While the white man and the Arabic lived in tents, huts, and caves, the ancient Indian had discovered of living in a better form of houses. While the white man and the Arabic wondered around the forest and desert killing animals to eat, the ancient Indian had discovered a way to irrigate their argiculture system. Of course the Sanatana Dharma people are mostly vegeterians so they have no interest in eating meats.
I guess you did not know that did you?
Any more questions dear ?
Ritesh Shah,
18 Jul 2007, 03:18
MUSLIMS & RATS HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON: MULTIPLICATION.
Haryana based Muslimcouple Mohammed(50) & Bismillah(42), celebrate Allah's blessing on them by giving them a 23rd child. They still want more. "Allah will take care of the children". The old fart doesn't even remember his childrens' names.
Agra couple Hasan(48) & Afroz(40) have 10 Children in 17 years.
I guess Muslims share their genes with RATS as far as breeding is concerned. What they will gain:
1. Overtake Hindus in Number Game
2. Everlasting Poverty, hence everlasting subsidies which, obviously will be paid for by Hindus.
3. Vote Power: Hindus become Minority, India becomes Islamistan.
Any objections, anyone?
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
18 Jul 2007, 03:21
MUSLIMS & RATS HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON: MULTIPLICATION.
Haryana based Muslimcouple Mohammed(50) & Bismillah(42), celebrate Allah's blessing on them by giving them a 23rd child. They still want more. "Allah will take care of the children". The old xxxx doesn't even remember his childrens' names.
Agra couple Hasan(48) & Afroz(40) have 10 Children in 17 years.
I guess Muslims share their genes with RATS as far as breeding is concerned. What they will gain:
1. Overtake Hindus in Number Game
2. Everlasting Poverty, hence everlasting subsidies which, obviously will be paid for by Hindus.
3. Vote Power: Hindus become Minority, India becomes Islamistan.
MUHAMMAD (not Mohammed, which stands at 23rd position) name is now 2nd only to JACK in the U.K. Likely to rise to No.1 by next Year. IT came to No.2 by beatin THOMAS, followed by JOSHUA & OLIVER. The popularity of the name rose by 12% last year. It had enetered Top 30 in 2000.
The muslims account to 3% of British population, about 1.5 million pleple. Their birth rate is 3 times higher than that of Nonmuslims.
in girls names among Muslims, the leading name is Aisha, named after the wife of the prophet, who was 6 yrs. old when Muhammad(54) married her.
REAL MUSLIMS MULTIPLY LIKE RATS! IT IS THEIR DIVINE DUTY!
shailesh, India (Bharat)
18 Jul 2007, 04:55
Probably this is my 1st post to the internet in the last 10 yrs.There's no use of saying anything against Govt.This government xxxxs;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;REALLY.
Pravin, United Kingdom
18 Jul 2007, 05:09
Parvezbhai,
You find a politically defensive way to dodge answering the questions, & offer irrelevant answers.
I understand & accept your reluctance to answer - your countrymen living in the UK & USA dodge the questions in the same way.
How are Hindus low life, when it is your faith which preaches extremeism against people whose land you live in?
It is Islam which wants to kill other faiths - and yet you ask such a question? I will of course answer.
Indians are against Islam, & Islamic preachings in Hindu Inida. We have NOTHING against you & Islam in YOUR Islamic countries, and ask Muslims to leave India - a Hindu land. You are unwelcome & should return to Pakistan-yr land
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
18 Jul 2007, 06:32
I just came accross a thought. We all can propagate about hindujagruti.com by pasting stickers with the name of this site written on our cars/bikes/ even behind autorikshaws / taxis if possible. this will definitely make the site famous. what's your opinion?
please catch that people and do the same for them also so that other people will not try to do
naresh singh, Canada
20 Jul 2007, 00:03
please let us live in peace in our own country. if others have been given place to live here, they should consider their responsibilities to serve this country, not to destroy it, disbalance its peaceful life.
Parvez, United States of America
20 Jul 2007, 01:02
War I am a muslim and I am not at war at anyone. People who are brain washed from childhood beocme violent against other religion. We all know th facts about what these individuals are doing across the world which I am against. I do not have any issues with your wriitng skills and not a offended. Just nonsens that is being said here. We can fight argue all you want while other countries are coming ahead of us. We all should stop spending this time on the same issue an move on. Its acrime and we need to catch these people and put them beind bars where they belong.
Parvez, United States of America
20 Jul 2007, 01:08
Krisna
18 Jul 2007, 01:06
Parvez,
No at one time poele were also considering Indian kings as their gods. India is still behind similar to iraq still fighting like animals.White man did not live in tents,if you know your history it is called wooden houses and also make of stones. Arabs lived in tents in the desert you know why they were travellers and to escape the heat they lived in tents. Ancient indians also usd to sacrifice animals in the temples. Do you know how many hindus I know today that eat more meat than I do. And on weeekend they to go to temple to pray. Guess you did know that. Dear I am not your dear stop being Gay, come out of the closet.
Parvez, United States of America
20 Jul 2007, 01:18
Pravin
18 Jul 2007, 05:09
Did i say hindu is low life, Get your brain checked itis not faith that preaches extremeism it is religious heads that does creates fanatic behaviour in people. If you know about Holy Kuran and understand it properly you wil know about islam.
Yes you and the others about are no different than what fanatic muslims preaches. You share something in common. You are preaching violence. Stop this childish behaviour leave india. I am never leaving India. U should leave UK and go back to India since you are against muslims. I will not answer on issues that I do not know about, I don't want so stound stup?? like lot of nonsense said above.
Chandra Swaroop, India (Bharat)
20 Jul 2007, 05:29
What's the hell is this, this is disguisting. This is extremely shameful activity.
Pravin, United Kingdom
20 Jul 2007, 08:38
Parvezbhai,
Please have a look at this site. It contains answers all your thoughts.
this a very shameful nd a bloody action done by those inhuman muslims...........
srsly the should be discarded out of tis country.......
not all.... sum r gud.....i dont deny.......but sum r such ________ u can understand ... they should either be killed or discarded out.........
dhruvil, India (Bharat)
20 Jul 2007, 12:16
there had been a riot in gujarat sum yrs back.......
tis might had arosen due to sum of their _______ like activities........ so cmn hindus v should raise our voice to discard such bloody people who even dont spare a kid of jst 14........ they should be shame of their ownselves who do harm to a chlid.... they don have gutts to attack frm frnt...... the perfect example of COWARDS......
Parvez, United States of America
21 Jul 2007, 01:39
Pravin
20 Jul 2007, 08:38
Parvezbhai
Answer to my thoughts, how do you know my thoughts, stayin UK I stronglky believe you have turn xxx. Or just born a fanatic hindu. Learn your religion properly. Stop hiding in Uk and go back to India and talk like this in public. Poeple will lvoe you there.
peter, United Kingdom
21 Jul 2007, 05:15
It seems that the muslem extreemists asking for it. Those hindus who choose to stay quiet are at foult and part of the great offence against Lord krishna.
To be quiet seems to be the same as agreeing with this violence. True it is the boys bad karma, in the same time violence against hinduism can not be tolerated and hindu officials from all over the world including normal hindus, now have to stand up and fight, same like Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita. He also did not want to fight, but The Lord told him different.
Amitabha Chakraborty, India (Bharat)
21 Jul 2007, 10:27
It's really a horrible incident. Are they human or what? What's the goverment doing? Shame on them. I think we need to force them to take action.
Parvez,
22 Jul 2007, 16:49
READ READ READ
Is this terrorism or it is not becasue it is christians who did the crimes.
Four Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) activists were beaten up by a group of Christians led by a pastor the day before yesterday at Gobindpura village near here, unrest continued with police resorting to cane-charging the protesting VHP activists which left a few injured
Krisna, Indonesia
23 Jul 2007, 01:09
Parvez,
No they were not. Indian has never worship king and witchdoctors as Gods. Donot get confuse yourself with Hollywood box office The Mummy. Regret to say once again that the Iraqis were never civilized till the Babylonia periode. India started advancing way before them. I guess you do not know that do you ?
Arabics were travellers because they were travelling for meats. So when there is no animals to kill they go to search another hunting ground. Hindus sacrifice animals for spiritual purpose but never to consume as we are likely veg. And if you wud read your lines carefully on our 1st conversation, you wud realize that u called dear to me first.
So who's the xxx now ?
rajesh mhanty, India (Bharat)
23 Jul 2007, 02:45
muslims are tha big headache for world.the defination of human will change if you will tell them human. rusted mind creatures..
" Is this terrorism or it is not becasue it is christians who did the crimes "
Readers will agree I am sure that the above comment is Irrelevant to the matter being discussed here - ie. Islamic terror in India.
Introduction of issues other than the matter at hand is a clear effort to deflect & sidetrack the issue.
Parvez, United States of America
23 Jul 2007, 16:42
Krisna
23 Jul 2007, 01:09
Denial of fact why because it is not muslm it is regarding hindu. Thats why. I dont watch Hollywood or Bollywood at all. India was never civilized till British conqured India for same reason no unity. I probably meant to call you deer not dear lol. Why do hindu sacrifice animals that is taking another life. That is similar to devil worshipers or black magic. You eat meat or don't you are still killing innocent animals a live being. Is it ok, to kill kill a female born because it is not a male born. Why do you I mean hindu kill or burn their sons wives and female born.
Parvez,
23 Jul 2007, 16:47
Pravin
23 Jul 2007, 11:01
" Is this terrorism or it is not becasue it is christians who did the crimes "
Just what I thought you are discriminating muslims in general. No side track just wantted to see your feedback and very similar to one I thought you would say. Shall I go and start another discussion there and invite for your responses or are you against that as it is not muslim who did the crime. What about christians are they hindustani. Christinaity speard in India by feeding poor and giving cross around neck for name of religion which is a sin. When I feed poor it is in name of humanity "Not eat my food become a muslim".
Answer please are Christians Hindustani ?????
Srini, Australia
24 Jul 2007, 06:56
Parvez,
Though you claim to be unbaised, you seem to criticise hinduism at regular intervals on various pretexts.
But there is nothing wrong with criticism if it is for constructive purposes. If you are really interested in man-kind, it might be a nice idea to advice the muslim brothers that their idea of god is not the only correct idea and that others can also have their own ideas. Long term change of Islamic societies, into accepting that other religions are not inferior to them, will reduce extremism and thereby reduce terrorism. Then all human beings, christians, muslims, jews, hindus, atheists and every body else will live in peace in the world.
Parvez,
Obviously the only fact denying is how people with the likes of you to accept the truth of how India found civilazation much earlier than any nation in this world. Accept the fact that Hindus conduct rituals that are different to yours. Refuse to acknowledge, people like you began to proclaim that Hindus are devil worshiper and their beautiful land subjugated and their respective people converted. Your holy Jihad has created horror for 10 centuries in India. But by the grace of Mother Durga, the Hindus resisted Islam and become the oldest surviving civilization that ever live today. I know you also sacrafice animals on Eid ul Adha. By the way, do you mind if I call you a deer too?
Parvez, United States of America
25 Jul 2007, 16:21
Srini
24 Jul 2007, 06:56
Parvez,
Thank you for you message, finally someone responded for what I was waiting for. I have the one of the highest respect for Hindu religion beinga muslim. But Muslim in general are criticized above by majority and no make comments like you did to me, till now when a muslim make comments. My muslim brothers, I do not associate with fanatic muslims. You are right leave in peace.Than the above criticizm should also stop against all muslims. Problems are created in India by politicans who are not muslims. People are paid to creat problems. Thant needs to stop. I respect your comments. Wish there were more people like you.
Parvez, United States of America
25 Jul 2007, 16:28
Still waitng fo response
Answer please are Christians Hindustani ?????
Tandav, India (Bharat)
25 Jul 2007, 17:27
Dont participate in any discussion with pervez or any committee , just read about muslims:
-- since 700 years from mohd.gizni-attacks 8 times and defeated and forgiven-maaf kiya gaya xxxxxx ko"-but he did attack from back side- hum kehte he xxxxx-xxxx- jo pichhe se vaar kare- he was muslim, then mohd.ghori- 16 times defeated-and forgiven by king but-xxxx xxxxx- do pehar ki xxxxx-sorry mix vegetable-17 times attack from backside-and u know hystory.
-aaj ki tarikh me bhi mumbai blast le lo- all supported person were muslims,
all border villages are muslims, all arrested with proofs fello so called terrorists are muslims,
if bomb blast it is a hindu area, is it possible bomb blastin muslm
one more thing each and every muslims said: terrorists are not muslims, but why all the terrorist are muslims- may be they all are so affectionate with their religious compare to nation--i think this is disgusting and not accepted. har baat me unke liye muslim religious is bigger then nation due to this worst sort of philosophy only all terrorist are muslims,
--> life me socho ek bhi muslim bharose ya faith ke kabil he--show me any example-me usme bhi darar dhikhadu.
--> i have a simple pray to all pls --whenever u stand or doing job if u find any muslim in any case before u die --pls pls pls dont TRUST ON THEM, bcoz last time i said faith or trust unke blood me nahi hota.
Tandav, India (Bharat)
25 Jul 2007, 17:48
india me muslim aise he jaise dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka,
wo india me rehna nahi chahte or pakistan jana nahi chahte.
they dont want to follow indian rules -and always wish their own laws .
har baar gustakhi karenge or jab marne jayenge to bolenge hum minority- and being santee(mental).
basically they are all poor chaps-orginal kutta ISI he jo bangladesh war me defeat hone ke baad ajki tarikh me uski puchh bahar nikaloge to tedi hi he.
-- and i will challenge to whole world u may find dawood and laden,ISI president and parvez darling everyday takind breakfast,lunch ,and dinner in the custody of pakistani army--> do u think when usa searches for them is there any safe place?
Tandav, India (Bharat)
25 Jul 2007, 17:57
kuchh bhi karo lekin maaf na karo- wo shetan he muslim.
is ke liye apko ek litmas test dikhata hu:
in whole crowd if u may find any muslim-uski ankhome dekho jab wo dusre muslim ko dekh raha he, uske ishare dekho, if friday dekho sab topi me, dadhhime-without shaving, black dress,
everytime started riots on friday, or jab pakde jayenge they will go for hum muslim he is liye hame pakda he--> lekin salo jab aniterrorist kam karte ho tab pata nahi chalta..
tumhare allh ka shukar karo-india me freedom he-warna mere jaisa president aa gaya to kher nahi--pervez musharaf bhi mere compund me zadu marega kuchh sikhne ke liye, laden bhi bartan saf karega,dawood ki kya baat karu-wo indian he samj
Tandav, India (Bharat)
25 Jul 2007, 18:06
yes, christian are hindustani bcoz till date yet no one found in terrorism activity, except muslims and now day by day we are shamful for indian muslims in foreign countries too when theirs roots found in india.
pervez tu kitna bhi bachale- lekin tu good boy hoga lekin soch world wide vaat lagne wali he- charo or se--me simple puchhta hu " admi ek bar galti kare use maaf karte he lekin bar bar kare to fir sochna chalu kardo.
or ha tumhare jobhi leader he use batao- har angle pe muslim ko mare wo he hindu- kyu ke ghori or giznise tuje pata chala hoga ki tum aaj se nahi pehlese hi pichhese war karte ho--lekin socho agar hindu o ne agar aisa chalu kiya to-wo tumse takat me bhi strong he???
Indians are Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Christian & Jewish Indians - these are Hindustanis.
Pravin
Rajani,
26 Jul 2007, 01:24
Now for a little more enlightenment please visit the following link
www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Sunshine.htm
Krisna, Indonesia
26 Jul 2007, 01:40
Parvez,
I really don't think the Hindus in this forum are brainwashed because Hindus were brought up to tolerate all kinds of faith. My Hindu brothers & sisters are frustrated of what is happening, relying to a goverment that couldn't protect their Hindu people. They find this site the best place to express their true feelings. Before Muslim & Christian came, the Sanatana Dharma people has live in harmony with Budhese, Zoroaster, and Jain. That's because the Vedic script doesn't contain such things about hell for the non-believers or heaven for the believers. If it does than we would've surely kicked them out for GOOD. Our main goal is just Moksa Artham Jagadhita. Simple as that.
Pravin, United Kingdom
26 Jul 2007, 04:56
1. Tandav Says 25 Jul 2007, 17:27
" Dont participate in any discussion with pervez or any committee , just read about muslims "
IMPORTANT: Have you guys read in full my comment above? It was as follows:
Pravin 20 Jul 2007, 08:38
IF NOT, then please do log on and see it - this is a must of all communities - nor only for Indians.
There is a big debate on this matter in Europe, and I am surprised no one has commented on that issue on this site.
Be good to see postings here from guys who have seen it, and your thoughts of course.
Pravin
Rajani,
26 Jul 2007, 05:55
After hearing Parvez Bhai's daleel that all muslims are not terrorists and that he himself is also peace loving, etc, i am tempted to offer him a gift of a website
www.faithfreedom.org
If u r really a human being u will agree with the person who created it who is an exmuslim and has done a "pardafash" of the teachings of Quran and Mohammad(May lightning fall upon him wherever he is). I would request each one of you who is engaged in crossfire here to visit this site which has thousands of examples of muslim atrocities all over the world and how the teachings of Quran itself are against humanity. U muslims always use the Mahabharata as a shield to justify your actions. See wat u r doin
Pravin, United Kingdom
26 Jul 2007, 07:14
Rajani
I will log on & read both your links as soon as I have a minute.
In the meantime, I further add to your excellent comment, and say that the Mahabharat is a Hindu Indian matter, and not for non-Indian Muslims living in our land to comment upon.
We WOULD PREFER NOT to comment on their Kuran IF avoidable, but they bring it on themselves for others to comment, as they admit to carry out terror attrocities & killings worldwide in the name of Islam.
They are doing that TODAY - LIKE NOW, whereas our Mahabharat is now a historical matter of that era.
Parvezbhai skillfully diverts into talking about Christianity here. Why?? Christains are Indians. India is their home.
Pravin
Krisna, Indonesia
26 Jul 2007, 07:52
Rajani,
I had visited the website and found it very interesting. The creator of the site has been engaged with many debates of Islam through out his life and not a single individual could outsmart him. Ali Sina is one heck of a man !
Did u see the photo gallery? U will not let u sleep for days together. See the one titled "Lynching in islam." Proof of hindu hatred in Bangaldesh. I cannot help reacting. I want everyone here to feel the same emotions that I am feeling and do something about this. Spread this message far and wide using the internet. Join HJS in its activities.
Jai Hind!!!
Rajani,
26 Jul 2007, 12:36
For those who want to have a little entertainement I would recommend following the link on the same website "How muslim women eat" in the video gallery. I laughed at first. Then I thought of the plight of those poor women hidden in their hijabs imposed by their "masters." Just imagine they cannot even eat properly. It is a stupid custom. And there is a collection of such stupid customs in Islam. No rational thinking goes into it!! Ali Sina has proved it time and again.
My message to all Indian muslims. You were all Hindus before these beasts from the middle east forcibly imposed this religion on you. Please come back to your own religion before it is too late.
Rajani,
26 Jul 2007, 21:14
My answer to Parvez Bhai's question is
As everyone other than a Muslim is Kafir to you, so every person who is a Muslim or a Christian is a non-Indian to me, unless proved otherwise in their behaviour towards Hindus who have been enduring their atrocities for ages now.
I was someone who was secular for a long time till I came face to face with the truth. Now I have no doubts.
There is only one solution now "tit for tit". No more nonviolence of gandhiji type(giving Hindus as sacrificial goats to prove that hindus are secular).
I am a woman and I feel all this, then you can just imagine how the enlightened hindu men in this country would be feeling after they know the truth.
Rajani,
27 Jul 2007, 00:27
Sorry it is "tit for tat"(typo)
For those claiming that Christians are with the Hindus, here is an eye opener
www.maanojrakhit.com (it is double "a" in maanoj)
All his books state the real history of what happened in india in the last 1000 years.
All the books are available on this site in the printable format. Please go through the book "That unknown face of christianity". You will have no doubts left. Also go through "Muslim BhaaratVarsh: Expect this to happen to you pretty soon."I am giving these referrences because they all state facts and give a lot of insight into things. From insight comes foresight. This foresight is what will save us Hindus in the near future
Why am i also a bad person or was I branded a terrorist from day one when youal found out I was a muslim. How does it feel, taste of your own hatred against all muslims. Christians are hindustani as they are converted from other religion by giving a cross arond the neck nad a chapati in mouth and famous words Jesus Loves you. I agree.
Parvez, United States of America
27 Jul 2007, 02:03
Rajani
26 Jul 2007, 05:55
Thank you, I have heard about his site, I will study htis ite and make my comments accordingly.
Parvez, United States of America
27 Jul 2007, 02:11
Pravin
26 Jul 2007, 07:14
Rajani
PREFER NOT TO COMMENT, you have been taling islam for the longest time. I did nto use any skills at all, just a email that I received while I was on this site. So please don't put words in my mouth and seems like you are using your tactic to god knows wha reason. India is home of christains even though they have eitehr migrated from out of India and are indian hindus from poor places are converted.My Co-worker goes to china every few months and teaches villagers english and computers and in thir lunch time they teach talk about chritianity and give our crosses.It is a sin to give food in name of religion poor people have not choice but to convert 4 food
Parvez, United States of America
27 Jul 2007, 02:15
Rajani
26 Jul 2007, 21:14
My answer to Parvez Bhai's question is
I never called you kafir. And yoo know what based on your writing and you being a female, and the respect I have for a females, I am not going to put you down not matter what is said to me or against islam.
Rajani,
27 Jul 2007, 05:22
What difference does it make anyway!! It is a well known fact that wherever muslim invasion has taken place, women have been humiliated and raped in large numbers. It is happening even today either overtly or covertly.
I guess your respect for women is based on the fact that you do have Hindu blood in you of your forefathers. If it is so, you should be proud of it.
The fact that you are visiting again and again this site is that u have the inquisitveness to know the truth. May God be with u in your endeavor and show u the right way and not let u fall into some fanatical ideologies that will destrioy u.
Rajani,
27 Jul 2007, 05:49
AND can you do us Hindus a favor...please..please...please tell your brethren those who are involved in this "jihad" thing, bombing, killing in the name of religion...can u go and convince them about your idea of Islam and the respect that you have for hinduism( you have stated that earlier)...If u do so, we Hindus will be very happy.
Tell them to let others also practice their religions in peace and not to drive them out of their own home land using terrorism. Will you be able to convince even one of them? Please let me know.
Parvezbhai,
Your apparent personal moderate credentials by all here have not gone un-noticed, but it is your defence of attrocities by your people that you defend regardless, puts doubts in minds of all here about what you say, and your underlying thoughts motivting your writings here.
Several of my comments were censored so readers have not been able to follow the consistency of my interrogative points of inquiry & therefore curtailing any ensuing debate.
Rajani is a strong intellectual woman with a demonstrated capacity of straight talk. I am sure she would want to be treated as an equal intellectual by you regardless of gender.
We all respect each other here-no exceptions.
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
27 Jul 2007, 07:24
PARVEZ,
Christians are Indians because:
1. They comply with the Indian Laws, and don't ask
for a separate Law like muslims have Sharia... If
muslims consider themselves a part of India,
then they must follow a common code like all
other citizens.
2. Christians have never done a single Bomb Blast.
3. Christians are hardly involved in any Crimes.
4. Dawood, Shakeel, Abu Salem, Memon brothers,
and countless other criminals are not Christians.
5. Christians follow Family Planning.
6. They do follow conversion tactics, which can be taken care of , but in totality, they are behaving like a well mannered minority, not like MUSLIM RATS, who Multiply and Kill.
Rajani,
27 Jul 2007, 07:25
I agree with Pravin. Who knows Parvez Bhai may become a radical muslim tomorrow and blame it all on us posting comments here as the ones who "compelled" him to do so.
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
27 Jul 2007, 07:34
Rajaniji,
Lagey Raho..... Good Going.
Dear Parvez,
She has a wonderful point here. Plz start spreading your good thoughts around in your Islamic Asylum... We will be really glad if we could find people like you doing this good work. This way your Islam may survive in India.
I guess that ISLAM can not be separated from violence. It is way beyond sanity. They will like the world to live in the 18th century forever.
Pravin, United Kingdom
27 Jul 2007, 09:13
Rajani says: "Join HJS in its activities" - we need to do more then that, surely? We have the strength-we lack a structured coming together.
Parvezbhai says:
1. "I have heard about his site. I will study this site and make my comments accordingly"-why then not research my earlier q's where u said you dont know the answers? Pls. study & find answers there too. U can
2. "Why am i a bad person/was I branded terrorist from day one when youal found out I was a muslim"
Open yr mind to earlier q's & address them head on. Publicly stand up to yr teachings of hatered in Mosques/Maddrasas, & challenge your Mullas+Muslims worldwide.
We know not all Muslims are terrs-yr moderation noted
Pravin, United Kingdom
27 Jul 2007, 09:38
Parvezbhai says:
"How does it feel, taste of your own hatred against all muslims"
Very skillful diversion.
When will Muslims undrstnd-we dont harbour hatred agnst Muslims as u say, & do not share your tase of hatered you Muslims so savour, ie. kill kaffir non-muslims in any country, whether yours or not. India is not.
It is these preachings of hatered towards non-Muslims to which you personally subscribe to as well, by virtue of being a Muslim, unwilling to organise yourselves & challenge yr Molvis at public Namaz gatherings in Mosques-to do this on Eid would be a good day for moderate Muslims to stand up. But, will you?
We all ask u to limit yr conversation here to Islam.
Pravin, United Kingdom
27 Jul 2007, 10:59
Parvezbhai
Rajani writes in objective reflection here when she says:
"Who knows Parvez Bhai may become a radical muslim tomorrow and blame it all on us posting comments here as the ones who "compelled" him to do so"
The very fact that you are engaged by so many here is a show of respect for you, & your replies representative of moderate Muslims living in our Hindu land.
Moderation begins with acceptance by Muslims in Hindu India that you live there as our guests, and must live as good guests, comply fully with Indian constitutional law, ABONDON your wish to live in Sharia, which in itself is radical, defiant & unacceptable.
I share Rajani's style of good but serious humour.
Shying away from TRUTH? Afraid that your if you support Hindus in any manner, you might be even killed by your people(that is the rule in islam na....kill those who go against the Quran?)
OR was your objective in visiting this site to see what Hindus are doing?
Ek baat jaan lo.....ab hum sach bolne se darte nahin hain....hamara itihas hum bhoolenge nahin....usse seekhenge
Pravin, United Kingdom
28 Jul 2007, 08:49
Rajani, 26 Jul 2007, 05:55
What does ""pardafash" mean?
I have a pretty shrewd idea of what I think it means, but not quite sure.
Pravin
Parvez, United States of America
28 Jul 2007, 11:47
Rajani
27 Jul 2007, 05:22
Sorry no hindu blood at all. Muslims are not aliens that they cannot respect females. I am visiting this site as ,u hindu friends who are against some of the comments made here against all muslims. And I will speak out everytime against anyone who is fanatic and hates any religion in general. I will never be destroyed by anyone excep by Allah(God). These comments should be directed to Pravin Bhai and others here. Specailly Pravin bhai who hates all muslims.
Parvez, United States of America
28 Jul 2007, 11:50
Rajani
27 Jul 2007, 05:49
I am in no position to tell anyone who are criminals and muslim. I am in USA and only god can judge them like everyone of us. I read my kuran with common sense and not use words fo rmy own benefit. Like ever other religion words can be misread and meaning can be twisted.
"Exposed". Quran "exposed." Please visit the site. You will know.
Most of us Indians believe that all religions are equal and that the Quran is as "divine" as any of our Hindu religious books. But we have actually never tried to find out whether it is correct or not.
Pravin, United Kingdom
28 Jul 2007, 12:57
I beg to differ Parvezbhai when you say "Specailly Pravin bhai who hates all muslims"
Pls. read my commnet: Pravin 27 Jul 2007, 09:38, I have said there:
"When will Muslims undrstnd-we dont harbour hatred agnst Muslims as u say."
You mis-interprete my position ie. India is for Inidans - Muslims are not Indians. I say this as a matter of fact, unlike you, without emotion.
This is my political position - your accusation to me is emotional, if not malicious.
I have nothing against Muslims, but in your Islamic motherland Pakistan, whereas you (Muslims) are uncomplying separatists in India - that I disapprove of.
I speak my mind openly - u know me better then that by now.
Prav
Ritesh, India (Bharat)
29 Jul 2007, 03:24
Parvezbhai,
Do u believe that by having Shariya (the muslim personal law) the Muslims in India are trying to be a part of the country?
Aren't the muslims hampering the growth of this country by avoiding family planning?
Why don't u ever comment on Haj subsidy issue frequently brought up here.
U r a hippocrate. When we attack the rots of ur religion, instead of commenting or accepting them, u simply dodge the questions by taking them personally and then blabbering about the respect u have for other religions.
how dare u call us fanatics? Get one thing straight, whatever is being written here is nothing but the truth. it is just the reflection of what muslims have been doing to us till today. The reflection looks ugly because of the Ugly face of Islam.
HINDUS ARE ALREADY ENLIGHTENED. MUSLIMS NEED TO LEARN TO LIVE IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY.
Pravin,
29 Jul 2007, 18:31
Parvezbhai says:
" These comments should be directed to Pravin Bhai and others here. Specailly Pravin bhai who hates all muslims .."
You misinterprete the open and frank opinions I express here, & what you say above is skillful manipulation to delibrately misrepresent what I say to suit your own interpretation of thought, when its actually Muslims who hate ALL others incl. Hindus. Pls refrain from such emotional comments.
In YOUR words above-quote: "Like every other religion words can be misread and meaning can be twisted .. "
YOU have done PRECISELY THAT with MY words. How deranged is that?
Parvez Bhai
If Islam is ike "every other religion", then why do you have so many "terrorists" amongst you? Is it not the result of the teachings of your own religious book. It is hard to believe that you are not from India. All your comments till now give the feeling as if you are in India. Well, that is not the point anyway. It is very good that you have been reading Quran with a "common sense" at least "till now."
What about the ghastly proofs of photographs of islamic terror all over the worldwide on faithfreedom.org. Are they fake? Words may be misinterpreted, but actions? Are they not coming from related "thoughts" or "mindset"?
Rajani,
29 Jul 2007, 22:01
In continuation from the earlier one...
And there is ample proof here in India regarding what muslims are doing. Do you still expect us to remain quiet and endure everything that is happening? If that is so, it is not going to happen, Parvez Bhai.
If you are a thinking individual, I think you should widen your study. We are all being brought up according to gandhiji's ideals. But little did we realize what harm it has done to our nation and particularly to the Hindu community. Kashmir is the best example. You know what and how ethnic cleansing is? When you experience it, you will know. Now it is being repeated in Kerala and West bengal. Don't we Hindus have the right to live?
Rajani,
30 Jul 2007, 00:19
AND I too "hate" muslims. They have earned this hatred. I don't buy things from shops owned by muslims. I fear that if I give even a rupee to the muslims community here, they will use it against my own people and I tell this to whoever I meet also. People have started getting aware about this. They now know where the money for all the arms and ammunitions that these terrorists possess come from," their own hard earned money."
Rajani,
30 Jul 2007, 00:35
To all the questions asked here, Parvex Bhai has either no answers or he just beats about the bush, because, basically, his religion cannot solve any problems in the world. It can only create problems.
And if you really are a humanitarian Pavez Bhai, then you should not stop at this. Study your religion and other religions. How your people behave and how people from other religions behave. You will know the difference.
But alas! you allah does not permit you to do so. What to do then, we have to take our stand!!
I have a very thoghtfully processed theory based on reasonable grounds of belief, that there is a concerted effort by wealthy & influential Muslims in India, from within the film industry superstars, to multi-millionaire designer shop owners & hotelliers in Juhu/Nariman Point area who have worldwide clientelle, to Muslim politicians now deeply embeded within Congress, to Mullas advising them ALL on the Islamic agenda they must follow with a view to "implode" from within the Indian democratic system-Sonya is aware.
I am unable to publish such article here, as HJS would not be able to publish these writings for legal reasons. It contains names, and is specific.
Pravin
Ankita Banerjee, United States of America
30 Jul 2007, 17:55
If Pervez is not responsible for the actions of the muslims and you do not have vast knowledge about Islam then why do you support the muslim terrorists here or try to confuse the topic.
It is your muslim blood which gets united like Magnet.Communalism is in your DNAs.You Islamic agent.
Parvez, United States of America
31 Jul 2007, 02:25
Pravin
28 Jul 2007, 12:57
Based on what you have said earlier. Policitical, you dont want to be in poklctics at all you are doing is spreading the word "Hate Muslims". Motherland pakistan wake up that was once a part of India. I disapprove your behaviour and the attitute you ahe towards all muslims. I know you very well, so you have any muslim friends.
Parvez, United States of America
31 Jul 2007, 02:37
Pravin
29 Jul 2007, 18:31
Parvezbhai says:
Opinions, or spreading terrorism. Every religion hindu, muslim, christan has evil. I have read you loud and clear. You are being very skillful in your wordings and I know the way you are headed is to spread evil. Time to move on. Other countries is moving forward while you all are like vultures still hoovering over the same issue. Life goes on grow up. Time wil stop for no one. But you all above will be grunting like pigs for the rest of your lives. Listen to me I am rat MULTIPLY.
Parvez, United States of America
31 Jul 2007, 02:44
Rajani
29 Jul 2007, 21:48
Parvez Bhai
If Islam is
I thought you were inteligent. Terrorist comes in every form not only islam. Teachings are being mis guided as I have said above. It has been written over nad oe again. Just like chritians old testimony which forbid to eat pigs now the new testimony allows to eat pigs. Did christ come back and correct that or was it people. People in every religion kill. Media is doing a god job to defame islam. Possibly it is true. I am stil reading kuran with common sense. Why is everyone hating islam so much and stuck to his issue all these time. Give it a rest and move on.
Parvez, United States of America
31 Jul 2007, 02:48
Rajani
29 Jul 2007, 22:01
In continuation from the earlier one...
Wht is the society doing, discriminating muslims in business, charing muslims move, in banks everywhere. Do you realize that. kashmir all killings are done by outsiders AFGHANS which indian hindu government allowed to enter. You all need to learn to leave in harmony with muslims by not discriminating Muslims in their every days lives.
Parvez, United States of America
31 Jul 2007, 02:52
30 Jul 2007, 00:19
AND I too "hate" muslims
I dont hate hindus, that is the different between you amd me, and hating a relgion is the starting form of terrorism. Its a shame on you exactly comment I made above about discrimination. Trust me your rupee will not make a dfference to them. No money is comming form over seas like iraq, iran and saudi for weapons. Not your rupee get real. Your ruppe will not even but a spring.
Parvez, United States of America
31 Jul 2007, 02:56
Rajani
30 Jul 2007, 00:35
To all the questions asked
I am enjoying and seeing the ignorance that you all cannot move on. Take all the stand you want, kep on fighting. While india gets destroyed by violence. We will go back to stone age no harm done. Any quesions please ask. I am not going ot answer questions which I dont know and sound BS like lot of you above.
You say "Communalism", which can be a moderate word compared to what we endure from Muslims in return.
For eg., if all we had to endure was simple communalism from the Muslims living in our land, (which we do anyway), I dare say we Indians would be more then happy to "accomodate" & tolerate that.
They go way beyond that, & inflict sectariansim born of Sharia on their secular tolerant hosts the Indians, are openly & defiantly separatists demonstrated by their (unacceptable) Islamic dress code best suited for living in Pakistan.
Food for thought perhaps?
Rajani has missed a vital point - if she doesn't pick it up, I wll will address it for her in due course.
Pravin
Pravin, United Kingdom
31 Jul 2007, 17:42
I rather think now that, meaningful conversation has reached its end, repetition has set in, and intelligent exchange has been exhausted.
Have ghadedha psase Bhagwat vanchwa jevu thai gayu.
Rajani,
01 Aug 2007, 00:58
To Parvez Bhai
You enjoy Parvez Bhai!!... we will do what we want to do. We are not fools like you...turning a blind eye to the truth.
AND you are talking of progress.Tell me which muslim nation has made such a "big progress."
"Laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahin mante" have you heard of this?
Rajani,
01 Aug 2007, 01:21
This silence that you are calling as "I am enjoying and seeing the ignorance that you all cannot move on" is i am afraid, misinterpreted. We all are intelligent enough to know that "grunting like pigs" here won't solve the problems that our nation is afflicted with.
You can go to any low level to accuse anybody here of being unfair to muslims, but I am afraid you are the one who is missing out real things that others are seeing. Parvez Bhai don't think that my rupee won't make a difference. There may thousands reading this web page and if all of them decide to economically boycott muslims, you will be the one fighting for survival let alone getting money for weapons.
Ali Sina has started a revolution in a sense through his web pages. Do you think it is impossible here?
Whatever little I am doing right now is going to contribute to a big revolution that is going to happen.
You please enjoy as much as you can living in ignorance...all the best!!
Rajani,
01 Aug 2007, 04:32
Talking about spreading hatred and evil, just look into your own Quran. You will find a lot of evil and hatred in it.
Just imagine!! Muslims don't have to cultivate hatred, they just have to refer to their religious book that gives them all the directions to deal with somebody who does not follow their path. Is this not an example of hatred?
You pretend about not knowing answers to such questions.
In no Hindu religious book will you find any such hatred. If India goes up in flames, it will be because of Muslims and Hindus will be needed to bring it back to normal.
Krisna, Indonesia
01 Aug 2007, 04:42
Parvez,
The Afghans in particular has nothing to do with the tragedy that is going on in Kashmir. It is the ISI agent that plays a big roll in causing the whole tragedy. The ISI would recruit Jihadis from any part of Pakistan. They would also invite Jihadis from outside of Pakistan like Iran, Egypt, Syria, Indonesia, Malaysia, and of course Afghan. They would dress like local Muslim of Kashmir in order to confuse the Indian goverment. Pakistan spend nearly all of their national budget for accomodating the ISI. India could not move foward securely when most Indian Muslims support ISI. And believe me this is not BS.
praveen, India (Bharat)
01 Aug 2007, 10:20
this is the most cruel act which is crystal clearly showing the true nature of those who must not b named!
let me pray to the god that the boy willl b recovered and those who are responsible to this will be punished.
Parvez, United States of America
02 Aug 2007, 00:14
Krisna
01 Aug 2007, 04:42
Parvez,
The Afghans in particular
That is possible. Who allowed them to cross Indain border at the cost of public. Dressing up on local muslim or in skirts is not the point. The point is who let them in the door.
Rajani,
02 Aug 2007, 03:05
You hit the point!
Let us go back into history. Muslims came from outside, invaded, looted, killed, raped, converted many and ruled India. Who let them in?
They were invaders, used force. The same thing the muslims inside India are also doing.
We gave them place to stay and make progress and now when they are prospering, they are drinking our blood.
We want to drive them all out so that nobody ever dares to disturb the peace in India.
Rajani,
02 Aug 2007, 03:20
Please don't have any doubts. It is the muslims here in India who have let them in. If the hanging of a terrorist like Afzal can be so cunningly handled, if a terrorist like Madani can roam scot free, is it not enough proof that India is already in the hands of these Moghuls again. The Prime Minister and the President are all puppets in their hands.
It is islamic India that we are seeing today where Hindus, the original inhabitants of this land, have no say in anything.
I want my Hindu brethren to wake up to this at least now. It is too late!!
Krisna, Indonesia
02 Aug 2007, 08:47
Parvez,
The borders of India-Pakistan-Bangladesh are pack with Muslim settlements, while the Hindu settlements are mostly on the inside of the region, so it is easy for Jihad intruders to penitrate the Indian territory without being known. Indian goverment border patrols are not able to cover up the vast long border by themselves, what they need is cooperation from the local Muslims, but do they get it ? No, since most Indian Muslims are Pakistan oriented that makes the Jihadis walking through the border like going from your bed room to your bathroom. If the Indian Muslims have love and pride for India then they would cooperate.
Parvez, United States of America
02 Aug 2007, 11:24
Rajani
02 Aug 2007, 03:20
Please don't have any doubts
What muslims opened the door for terrorist to enter. Original inhabitants of india had no social culture, there were kings all over the hindu kings killing each other.
Parvez, United States of America
02 Aug 2007, 11:30
Hope the modeatore post thismessage. Recently a fams hindu actr was send to jail for 6 years. Is he a terrorist or no because he is a hindu. Or now he is called a muslim and not a Indian.
Pravin, United Kingdom
02 Aug 2007, 12:55
" I want my Hindu brethren to wake up to this at least now. It is too late!! "
It's not too late, yet, although it may soon be.
We are all very aware of the situation. The Government is unwilling even to recognise, let alone acknowledge the impending danger.
It is upto us, or mother India will be disrobed, like Mata Draupadi - only this time, there will be no saviours.
We need to organise, and come together.
Krisna " If the Indian Muslims have love and pride for India then they would cooperate "
Wishful thinking on your part, I am afraid.
Rajani,
02 Aug 2007, 20:21
Parvez
"Original inhabitants of india had no social culture, there were kings all over the hindu kings killing each other."
This is false propaganda invented and propagated by the British as well as your mullas and maulavis.
We know what our culture is. Your intellect is so low that it cannot comprehend Hinduism nor can it allow Hindu way of life to survive. You Hindu hater!!
Whatever is happening in the middle east and other muslim countires, do you call that culture? Mindless, cultureless, violent, degressed people!!
Are you a Pakistani? You love Pakistan so much that you are ready to blame Afghans for everything.
Rajani,
02 Aug 2007, 20:48
Believe me that actor has got more than his share of troubles till now just for keeping weapons. All his allies if you see carefully were muslims. There are lakhs of muslims not only keeping weapons but also known to have been using it against the Hindus. And they are not given any sort of punishment. Madani and Afzal are good examples. Kerala is the haven for such activities. This terrorist Madani was given a grand welcome by the communist Govt. yesterday. What for? For killing hundreds of people attending the rally of L.K. Advani. Those who dare to speak for Hindus, they are bombed. Kerala is progressing in the direction of Kashmir very fast.
It IS too late!!
Krisna, Indonesia
02 Aug 2007, 22:58
Pravin,
Apologize bro...I should've wrote " If the Indian Muslims have love and pride for India ( which they do not ) then they would've had cooperate."
Rajani,
03 Aug 2007, 00:30
Pravin
Yes we must organize ourselves and we must now come out to the streets in protesting. Terrorism has reached our doorsteps.
Muslims and Christians come out to streets in large numbers protesting for issues related to their religion. We do not do that. We do not make a show of our strength. So we are taken for granted.
Warriors like Shivaji Maharaj and Prithviraj Chauhan are no more there in the Hindu society to protect us. We have to increase our strength, each one of us, to combat this and this is possible only through "sadhana".
Parvez, United States of America
03 Aug 2007, 02:16
Pravin
02 Aug 2007, 12:55
" I want my Hindu
Wake up for what a feast. How do want muslims to cooperate. When as above hindu are discriminating muslims. Are hindu going to cooperate with muslims.
shubhananda, India (Bharat)
03 Aug 2007, 04:23
its shameful for all of us. we need to change our self. we should give some time for our tradition, human values etc. we can save our nation only by union. kick the rascals out of india who try to truble our motherland. we love our india.
Pravin, United Kingdom
03 Aug 2007, 07:33
Krisna,
Smiling this end at what you say above. No probs. mate - I knew all along the spirit in which you had written, and exactly what you meant.
I had slipped in a "corrective" comment simply to avoid the possibility of a misunderstanding by newcomers here, who perhaps may think all of us here are not secular, when to the contrary is correct, and where they could perhaps feel the need to come to the "defence" of secularism in India thinking it is threatened by people like a lot of us here, when all we seek to do is to "cure ourselves of an infection" so India continues to remain secular, and the threat to secularism brought under control.
Have a great day my friend.
Pravin, United Kingdom
03 Aug 2007, 08:10
" This is false propaganda invented and propagated by the British as well as your mullas and maulavis"
Very true. Simply to add to this excellent point that, neither the British nor the Moguls were invited into India (regardless of claims by others about "warring kings" etc. which is irrelevant), and both were unwelcome in that era.
The British forces left India (a simple statement of fact & no more), and Britain today is an economical ally for India.
Like the British, Muslim descendents of the Mogul invaders too should have left; Then, current problem in India would not exist.
No one would stop them from leaving should they if they so choose to do-wishful thinking I know.
I feel shame when I tell that I am a bengali and I am from Kolkata....
Are the Police are mere lambs in bengal.... they have no power at all???
Their uniform is just shirts and pants to wear for hiding shames ??
Socha tha Buddhadev Babu ke time mein kuch aacha khasa change hoga in all respect.....
Magar woh bhi ek same nikla....... haath pair toota hua ek mere politician.
"Buddha Babu.....expectation bahut hain aapke upar.... Jo saach hain aur saahi hain uska saath dijiye...."
Rajani,
03 Aug 2007, 23:40
Debashish
There is no hope for Hindus in Bengal and Kerala. These two states are the ones which will be declared as Islamic states first. Beware! This can happen any time!
I am not exaggerating. These are trailors that you are seeing right now. There is not much time left.
Don't depend on these politicians. Can you do something about it?
Pravin, United Kingdom
04 Aug 2007, 10:09
Rajani says:
"Don't depend on these politicians. Can you do something about it? "
I am in full agreement with her article above however, I add a most serious note here to say that this is not something anyone can do individually.
Such a movement will require a concerted effort of many, men and women like some of us here who are resourceful enough to organise themselves, strong enough to construct a structure, and resolute enough to see it through.
Only then, will we be able to take the next step forward.
Not an easy task by any means, but there are robust, and capable men and women here - it is the will that we must all muster.
Lets talk to each other - directly.
Rajani,
04 Aug 2007, 10:29
Pravin
They won't go on their own, as you said. They want to make India a hell of a place for all nonmuslims to live in. That was their motive in invading India in the first place. Today, in these modern times too, their motives and ambitions remain the same.
God only knows how many more Hindu lives will have to be sacrificed before the whole of India wakes up to this bitter truth.
Yes concerted efforts are required. We are all far from each other but holding the same dreams within.
Let us take a vow that no atrocity on Hindus will go unnoticed and no attack on Hinduism will be tolerated. Only when we make a hue and cry about it will we be paid attention and listened to. We will protest wherever we can adhering to the facts and the truth armed with knowledge and insight.
The fact that so many of us visit this webpage and voice our opinions is itself a proof of this. We have to make this agitation stronger with time. God will show us the way.
Pravin, United Kingdom
04 Aug 2007, 18:50
Rajani,
Far we are indeed, but there is a meeting of minds. I am for ever a skeptic, and taking a vow will not help. Hue & cry is no longer enough to force a change in Government policy, who ignore our protests, and laugh us off in the knolwedge that nothing concrete will follow any protests. Like a dog a bone, they throw us a small concession and our real concerns is remain unaddressed.
Visiting this site & voicing impotent opinions bears no fruit, and god will only help those who help themselves.
In an ideal world, being "armed with knowledge & insight" would be enough, but no longer. We need to pool resources and tackle this with with smart skill - we have those skills between all
Rajani,
04 Aug 2007, 20:26
Parvez
Cooperating with muslims!!! Our so called "Father of the nation", once asked us to cooperate with muslims for the "Khilafat Movement". It was supposed to be against the British, but the ones who suffered at the hands of the monstrous butchers were innocent hindus. If you want the true history of this, you are welcome to "Malabar" which is called the "Mini-Pakistan" within India. There are thousands of Hindu families bearing testimony of this "cooperation". And the followers of this "Father of the nation" and the wretched communists very easily presented it to the outside world as "Peasants revolt". This is enough to boil the blood of a true Hindu.
Cooperate!! What the hell!!
Rajani,
04 Aug 2007, 21:06
Parvez
Can you go and tell your brothers that what "cooperation" means? Because for them it means "kill innocent Hindus". The Mopilla revolt is an example of this.
And when somebody very far away there in Denmark drew cartoons of the prophet, muslims cooperated here with the hindus by attacking them, by burning their shops. Very reasonable indeed!!Please tell them what "cooperation" means. May be you too need to know what "cooperation" is?
I told you earlier also that "you will know what and how ethnic cleansing is only when u experience it". We are experiencing it here right now. Forgive me if my words hurt you, but these are facts.
Sitting there in the US amongst friendly people, you will never know.
Parvez, United States of America
06 Aug 2007, 01:40
Rajani
04 Aug 2007, 20:26
Parvez
Cooperating with muslims
So muslims are the monstrous xxxxers. Rajani bain time to move on. Don't live in the past.I am reading about Khilafat movement and will coment after reading all facts. Question, I am watching ravan on the whole series why is there so much killing going on. FOrgot hisname youngest son is killing innocent people nad taking over everything and not he wants Lanka.
Parvez, United States of America
06 Aug 2007, 01:43
Rajani
04 Aug 2007, 21:06
Parvez
Can you go
Thought you were smart. Even a coments was made in USA on tv about is it a politicial stunt to gain polularity. What proof do you have that is nto hindus who are paying to start a riot.
Parvez, United States of America
06 Aug 2007, 01:44
Agree 2 dat one bro !...You have a great day as well...
Ram Ram
Rajani,
07 Aug 2007, 03:46
Parvez
Wake up! Ravan is a Rakshas(like *****) and so he is killing!! He had to be destroyed by Lord Sri Raam. We are worshippers of Shri Raam and not Raavan. Ask some proper questions.
Not seen the series....but heard it was something that glorifies and projects Raavan as a hero!!
The Ramayan and Mahabharat are both the conflict between dharma and adharma. It is adharma being done by Raavan and his people that you are seeing right now in the series. You cannot understand Ramayan by watching the TV version and that too about Raavan!!
Rajani,
07 Aug 2007, 03:57
And regarding the popularity stunt!!
We are used to such comments. All the so called "secular" people will say that only, because they know that if the Hindus in India begin to ask questions and start to protest against what is being done to them, these pseudosecularists will have nowhere to go!!
We don't care about such comments, because we know the truth and we are with truth and dharma. What they are doing is adharma and they will eventually be punished for it.
And nobody has paid me anything for writing all this here!!
PS: Whether you are coming back to India or not is not the topic of discussion here.
Rajani,
07 Aug 2007, 05:20
Pravin
I agree with you that only voicing opinions won't help. But this is a conflict between the good and the evil. And it has been there since the beginning of this universe. Countries like US, with the best skills, have they been able to wipe out terrorism of this magnitude? Don't you think they are as motivated as we are?
For the US, UK & Europe, the uprising of radical Islam is an alien force which caught them by surprise. Its too late now. They can deport all Muslims from non-Islamic countries, which, although possible, is not allowed in international law.
The motivation of the UK & US is misguided, and wrong. They try to "win hearts & minds of Muslims" - Why? It should be the other way round. It is the responsibility of Muslims living in Chrisian & Hindu lands to win over the hearts & minds of its host country.
If they dont behave themselves, then the government of that land must make a simple statement - comply or go back to yr country.
We need to rise now!
Rajani, India (Bharat)
07 Aug 2007, 09:10
Pravin
Hinduism is being attacked in many different ways. One of them is intellectual jugglery by muslim and christian "scholars", which is even more dangerous because of the fact that most of the hindus are not practising hindus. These "scholars" have never tried to practise even a single thing that they comment on. The meanings that they derive from our books is so distorted that even ordinary hindus know that what they are saying is not true and that they are only motivated by the desire to place their own religions above Hinduism and convince the Hindus that they are wrong. This is intellectual terrorism. You must see the vigor with which they do that.
Rajani,
07 Aug 2007, 09:19
Pravin
This is happening on a very large scale here. To counter such things, we have to be learned ourselves first. That was what I meant when I said "armed with knowledge and insight". They are very cunning and can twist the meaning of any verse to suit their own purpose. How can you fight here? By doing the same thing. Study our holy books and their holy books as well. We Hindus are the most intelligent people on earth and can very easily give the correct and convincing answers to all of this, but provided we do "sadhana", practise Hinduism.
Parvez, United States of America
07 Aug 2007, 10:53
Rajani
07 Aug 2007, 03:46
Parvez
Don't hide the truth and only take good, every religion hindu, muslim, christian has fighting, killing going on.Dont act al innocent. Dont only take good. You sound like old testimony and new testimony. Only accept good. Fact was and is which everyone needs to accept is every religion had violence in them.
Parvez, United States of America
07 Aug 2007, 10:57
Rajani
07 Aug 2007, 03:57
And regarding the popularity stunt!!
What Dharma to kill muslims and see them starve. Me bin a muslim my culture my family honour forbids me to see anyone to see starve. Apparently your dharma tells you to not purchase from Muslims and see them starve. Because all your money you give is to purchase weapons. Wake up that is a very small scale. Big scale is from Saudi where terrorism was born along wiht Iran, Afghan, and spread to pakistan.
Parvez, United States of America
07 Aug 2007, 10:59
Rajani
07 Aug 2007, 05:20
Pravin
I agree with
This is coflict between stup??ity and ignorance. USA is united as one, apparently by ignorant people like above India is divided.
Pravin, United Kingdom
07 Aug 2007, 17:57
Rajani,
I now understood your thought ie:
"That was what I meant when I said "armed with knowledge and insight"
We are under attack simultaneously from all angles. We must start first and counter the most obvious threat - that of the Muslim wish to convert India into an Islamic state-a goal they are aware is achievable & work towards this has begun.
We would tackle the matter "intellectual jugglery" you highlight after we are able negate the Muslim threat to India.
Hindus (includes Sikhs & Buddhists)
are under attack from vairous angles as you so aptly describe, and the need for us to group and organise is imperative now - Narendra Modi is alone warrior and needs support.
Rajani, India (Bharat)
08 Aug 2007, 03:48
Parvez
Agree that there are good and bad people everywhere. What I am against is the theory that idol worshippers should be destroyed(in whatever way it can be done), which is the basic teaching of both Christianity as well as Islam. And this has been directed against Hindus over centuries. History is full of such examples, though most of us don't know the magnitude of Hindu killing that has taken place because it has been hidden by "secularist forces". For them, secularism means destroy hindus and appease muslim and chritians at any cost. We want to bring the truth out and give Hindus and Hinduism their rightful place in this country, which is the birthplace of Hinduism.
I understand your point very well and also revere Narendra Modi for his courage and for what he is doing for Hindus.
There are hundreds of Hindu organizations doing good work. Have you ever tried uniting Hindus for this purpose?
Pravin, United Kingdom
08 Aug 2007, 05:29
Rajani,
In an ideal world, that may have been possible, but the way our organisatins operate, uniting them in the context in what I believe you mean, is an uphill sturggle to put it mildly.
My thoughts go in a different direction here, for which we need to create an independent organisation manned by the "coalition of the willing" to coin the American phase.
These exchanges of thoughts are best discussed on a direct basis however.
I am a devout Hindu, but I am not a religious man in its serious context. Many of us here are prefessionals in different areas of expetise, top business, engineering, pharma, mdeical, law etc.
Top men & women need to group. How?? I am trying.
Rajani,
08 Aug 2007, 06:30
Parvez
Weapons coming from Saudi, Iraq u say. Who are using them here in India? Are the Saudis and Iraqis coming to India and waging this "jihad". No it is the muslims here who use those weapons against Hindus!!
Pravin, United Kingdom
08 Aug 2007, 13:40
Rajani - 08 Aug 2007, 06:30
Sha maate matha phod karacho?
Ene, and badha e loko ne khaber che.
Jeew barwa karta haave reva de - and lets move on to something more constructive now.
parvez, United States of America
09 Aug 2007, 02:20
Rajani
08 Aug 2007, 03:48
Parvez
Agree that there are Wow from everyone above someone is intelligent enough to name christianns. I was unaware of christians also. At time kuran was written there was barbaric people all around. Today fanatic people are living in the same time period and taught wrong by the priests in all religions.
parvez, United States of America
09 Aug 2007, 02:23
Rajani
08 Aug 2007, 06:30
Parvez
Weapons coming from Saudi
Yes lot of them are ill literate and are most possibly taught wrong by the leaders. Afghans on a lrge scale are spreaded around India and the prupose is to start problmes including hindu politicians to gain fame.
parvez, United States of America
09 Aug 2007, 02:25
Pravin
08 Aug 2007, 13:40
Rajani - 08 Aug 2007, 06:30
Sha maate
Please let her talk she sound very inteligent compared to you spreading terrorism to start problems. You are definately a profesional in spreading your evil.
Rajani,
09 Aug 2007, 06:04
Parvez
Yes lot of them are ill literate and are most possibly
I am afraid you are misguided in saying that. Whatever your justification might be, you definitely don't know that in a 100% literate state like Kerala, protesting those Danish cartoons, there were thousands out on the streets including children 10-12 years old. You cannot call them illiterate, it is your madrasa system of education that these children are being educated in. And given a chance, they won't even hesitate to kill, I know.
Why don't you answer my other question, about idol worshippers? Is it not true that Quran mentions that idol worshippers should be destroyed? Are muslims not doing this over centuries to Hindus?
Now please don't again say that there are good and bad people in all religions, and that good and evil is there in all religious books. This amounts to justifying what muslims are doing. What they are doing in the name of religion is wrong. I, as a devout Hindu, do not agree to that! I have not killed anybody in my life and cannot tolerate anybody doing that. Not even killing for food, mind you!
Rajani,
09 Aug 2007, 06:17
And if Quran was written by barbaric people, why do you follow it? Tear it off and be true to yourself!!
Rajani,
09 Aug 2007, 06:34
How are Hindu politicians going to be benefited by helping the terrorists? In fact, their own lives are in danger because of these terrorists. Don't you see Hindu leaders being killed by muslim mobs every now and then?
To say that anybody instigates terrorism to gain fame is absurd.
The foundation of terrorism is "TO MAKE INDIA AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY", "TO CLEANSE INDIA OF HINDUS" is loud and clear.
Rajani,
09 Aug 2007, 06:48
Oh...you mean to say that there were barbaric people around the prophet and to deal with them, Quran was written that way and he had to kill them to establish justice. Very good justification indeed!
Read Quran properly, the people who were killed by the prophet were all idol worshippers. The only thing that qualified them as "barbarians" was this idol worship and oppposing the prophet. It is mentioned again and again there that whoever opposed him was killed.
The prophet(not at all fit to be called so) did one great thing. He destroyed civilizations. He brought barbarism to religions that were apostles of peace. He killed and killed and killed for no reason.
I would like to give a proof what is going on in the world in the name of jihad. Follow this link please.
inhonor.net/videos/uped/fl_video.php?f_num=89500
Please let me know if you support this.
parvez, United States of America
11 Aug 2007, 01:17
Rajani
26 Jul 2007, 21:14
My answer to Parvez Bhai's question is
As everyone other than a Muslim is Kafir to you.
I never said that did I. I neve said if you are not muslim you are kafir. Please don't put words in my mouth.
parvez, United States of America
11 Aug 2007, 01:21
Rajani
09 Aug 2007, 06:04
Parvez
Yes lot of them are ill literate and are most possibly
You are probably right priests are taching the young ones brainwashing them.
parvez, United States of America
11 Aug 2007, 01:29
Rajani
09 Aug 2007, 06:12
Parvez
Why don't you answer my other question
In my kuran and used on my undersanding it means based on those days where there were plenty of barbaric people. Not idol worshipers. People are mis using words for their own benefit. When I go to singapore or India I go and give my respects in swami narayan and hindu temple. I drink milk from cows of the temple. I rarely eat meat. Sorry plenty of Hindus in usa eat meat and go to temples on weekends.
parvez, United States of America
11 Aug 2007, 01:29
Rajani
09 Aug 2007, 06:17
And if Quran was written by barbaric people, why do you follow it? Tear it off and be true to yourself!!
Are you kidding Quran was written at time of barbaric times.
rishi khujur, United States of America
11 Aug 2007, 08:45
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Shaansmsm, Russian Federation
11 Aug 2007, 17:36
Bengalis are the one to be blamed to be blamed. didn't we learn anything even after losing sindh, punjab and more than half of bengal. firstly, xxxx that communist xxxxxxxx where ever you find. weakness and complaining isn't an answer. strength is the only remedy.
Rajani, India (Bharat)
11 Aug 2007, 20:53
Parvez
No matter what you just won't accept the truth. It is a pity. You always say something derogatory about Hindus or some cooked up stories circulated by the Anti-Hindu media. You please study history. Then you will know how under the influence of these barbaric religions, Hindus also became degressed. But there are still a lot of Hindus and Hinduism left even after centuries of such attacks and that is the proof of the greatness of such a culture. May God help you in realizing the truth. I have nothing more to say to you.
Shaansmsm, steady on old chap.
You say " strength is the only remedy " ..
We are strong - the critical difference is, we are not extreme or violent, and dont issue fatwa death warrants on anyone because we dont like what they say, or demonstrate on issues not relevant to Inidia like the Danish cartoon of Mohammad, Iraq war, burn American flags then go on a rampage, riot and kill.
Have a look at my comment above on here:
Pravin 30 Jun 2007, 06:23, and it would be so good to talk.
Pravin
parvez, United States of America
12 Aug 2007, 15:41
Rajani
11 Aug 2007, 20:53
Parvez
No matter what you
It is high time for all hindus to accept that in the apst thee were plenty of killings going on wiithin hindus. One way hindus dont eat meat but animals are sacrificed in name of your gods. WHY. I am watching your history and not Ravan and even there there were lot of killings going on. WHY. Why odnt you accep the truth. Are you saying that there was no killing amongs hindus ever. When I was in india i usd to hear among killings among different family as one hindu boy was in love with a girl from different village. the father of the girl killed her daughter and ended up killing the boy also.
parvez, United States of America
13 Aug 2007, 01:15
Is this true.i got is from hindu website. Not all hind? avoid eating meat. A great majority of hind eat it. In acient India even the brahmins were said to be eating certain types of scrifical meat. Hia same as muslims who are called terrorist. HIndu law books do not prohibit the eating of meat. Please correct me.
Rajani, India (Bharat)
13 Aug 2007, 01:23
Parvez
Personally, I have nothing against you.
I am a student of Hinduism and believe in Hindu values and I believe them to be much much superior to those in any other religion. Or there won't be so many muslims coming to Aurvedic doctors or to the Jyothishis or conduct special poojas in temples and request them not to reveal their identity outside to their people. The Hindu religion that you are criticizing bas been there for centuries before Islam or Christianity arrived and under that culture thrived. People were much much happier. And you say about meat eating Hindus. Well meat eating became common to India only after the arrival of Islam.
In continuation
Before that, it was only in certain tantric form of worships that used of meat was allowed and sacrifice of animals was there. This was prevalent only in a very small section of the society and one more thing, they never tried to impose it forcefully over others(like muslims forcefully imposed their way of living on hindus, converted them).
You cannot compare the killing in Hindus with what muslims have done and are doing. The killings done by muslims is of much much higher magnitude than what Hindus have doone, starting from the earliest invaders to India. You are again justifying what muslims are doing in the name of jihad.
Rajani,
13 Aug 2007, 01:38
Most of the Hindus are nonviolent whereas most of the muslims are either violent or support violence(like you).
Ramayana, you only say "so much killing going on". Who is doing all the killing?It is Ravan!! I think I already made it clear that we worship ShriRaam and not Ravan. In our opinion, Ravan and his people are doing the same adharma that muslims are doing in the modern times.
To annihilate that Ravan and to stop the adharma that he was doing, Lord ShriRam had to wage a war against him and kill him.
Same is the case of Mahabharata. Whenever muslims scholars talk, they take the side of kauravas and blame Srikrishna for the war. It is a pity you don't understand these granthas
Rajani,
13 Aug 2007, 01:48
Parvez
You are wrong in calling it "your history". There is nothing like separate history for Hindus and separate history for muslims. These epics are from much much earlier times. Now you can imagine how old Hinduism is and what strong roots it has in India. And Ramayan and Mahabharat denote the war between Dharm and Adharm. The war portions comes only in the end. And even after suffering so much at the hands of Kauravas, Arjun still has the nobleness to say at the last moment that he cannot wage a war against his people(Most of the Hindus are like this). But SriKrishna shows him the right way saying that if Dharma is to prevail, you have to take up arms and fight and destroy them.
Rajani,
13 Aug 2007, 01:56
Parvez
In your case, you will never know the truth unless you look into your own people's lives. Though you say that you are not like them, still you support them in every way and criticize Hindus as if they were wrong in protecting themselves when muslims attacked them or tried to disrupt their lives.
For the solid proof that I have given aginst muslims, you say "you are "probably" right". I am 100% right I know and everyone else here also knows. You are waging a war that you are going to lose in the end!!Because even though you yourself may not be like them, you are still supporting them. Study the Ramayan, Mahabharat and Bhagawat Gita, you will know what happened to such people.
Parvez,
There were a lot of great Hindu kings who fought against other king in order to increase there territorial. It is their duty as a protector of their kingdom and their people. When Hindu kings fought each other they hold to an ancient rule of war called the Dharmayudha. Combatants against combatants only. Non combatants or unarmed combatants must not be touch. Lord Ram came to this world to kill Ravan because he was evil. A soldier duty is to kill and there is nothing wrong about that. Killing of a boy because of love has completely nothing to do with Hinduism. Answer this question first...During Eidul Adha, what hopes do you have for the animal that you kill ?
Philip Saenz, United States of America
13 Aug 2007, 21:21
As a Catholic I say: May God bless that poor boy, who was burned by the Muslims. And may God bless all the Hindu people. Let us all hang tough. We all have a horrible enemy out there who hate us all. In fact, the Muslims hate each other. Witness how the Sunni Muslims are murdering the Shiite Muslims and how the Shiites are murdering the Sunnis. The Muslim Kurds, too, are murdering other Muslims, also the Wahhabis. Like I said, the Muslims hate everyone, even other Muslims. Dear Hindus, let me repeat, let's hang tough. We all have a terrible enemy out there. May God bless you.
Krisna, Indonesia
13 Aug 2007, 22:47
Rajani,
That is true sis, many people today in the western world has been studying about Hinduism. Some of them even carry around mini pocket book of the Bhagavadgita to work. Many of them also blame Shri Khrisna of making Arjun went to war when Arjun refused to. Anyway, despite at how they look at Hinduism in disdain not all of them are like that. Most of them are also a true devotee and understand very well of the Gita. We might not be the world fastest growing religion as Islam claim to be but Hinduism has always survive and has never lost touch of its beauty and interest to the people of the world.
Rajani,
14 Aug 2007, 00:34
Yes, Hinduism will survive because it is eternal. The question is whether Hindus will survive to practise Hinduism?
Arjun had seen injustice, and that was Adharm. If Arjun had remained indifferent the society would have disintegrated. Arjun needed to rise to the occasion. He had to fight against the continuing Adharm. History repeats itself and we are moving toward that direction once again. The process is gradual and may not be visible to all. The time will come when no one will be able to remain indifferent. Every one will have to choose one side
or the other. In MahaaBhaarat, a few chose the side of Dharm. Many more took the side of Adharm. Expect the same to happen again. Attraction of Adharm is simply fatal. It leads one
gradually towards extinction.
Rajani,
14 Aug 2007, 01:11
In continuation
A battle to reestablish Dharm is not an evil but a
fundamental necessity for preserving the rhythm of this Creation Cycle!
Pravin, United Kingdom
15 Aug 2007, 07:52
Krisna & Rajani say in that order:
" Hinduism has always survive .."
" Yes, Hinduism will survive because it is eternal .."
I so wish that I could find even a small wray of hope or optimism in my heart that you both express. I want to, but I feel that we will be deceiving ourselves in so doing. I am not sure that we can take that for granted any more.
Evil forces will always triumph, unless combated with the force of light ... ie. forces of good.
Take a minute to reflect on what the Muslims living in our country are doing to this Bangladeshi writer .. and the open thread of death .. with the Government powerless to oppose the Muslims, in our own country for goodness sakes!
Pravin, United Kingdom
15 Aug 2007, 19:02
Philip Saenz says:
" Dear Hindus, let me repeat, let's hang tough .."
Indeed so Philip ... inspite of the delebrately misleading and defamatory comments made here by Muslims to imply otherwise.
We have, of course, put out corrective comments to dispel any politically divise insinuations made by Muslims living in our country - yours & mine.
I hope you will have read the corrective comments we have published above here, but if not, then please see my comments:
Pravin 25 Jul 2007, 19:44
and also Ritesh's comment:
Ritesh Shah 27 Jul 2007, 07:24
Great to see Indian Catholics joining into the fray - we are in this together mate.
Yes, muslims kill their own people too. With so emphasis on hatred towards nonbelievers in Islam, one would naturally expect that they would at least be loving towards their own people. But it is not so!!Once the heart is filled with hatred, it can turn against even one's own people. Really, Islam not only destroys others, but it is self-destructive as well.
Compare this with the thousands of years Hinduism has survived here!!
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 01:24
Rajani
13 Aug 2007, 01:23
Parvez
Personally, I have
NO NO NO hindus always hunted and eat Dear meat. HIndu kings usd to have a feast and eat meat. So stop this shadow and stop covering up. Plenty of hindus in usa eat meat and love pork. And when they are seen in muslim restaurant they hide thier faces.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 01:26
Rajani
13 Aug 2007, 01:30
In continuation
Before that, it was only in certain tantric form of worships that used of meat was allowed and sacrifice
No it was wide spread and stil is. Just admit it and move on. PLease dont change it now. We are takling about eating meat and now you are talking about Jihad. Lets focus on hindus eating meat.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 01:32
Rajani
13 Aug 2007, 01:38
Most of the Hindus are nonviolent whereas
I have or will never support violence. Let me get the story straight. Ravan form lanks correct. Was not his brother who went agaisnt his fathers wish and I sw while he was n a sea shore he ordered to kill everyone inthe city and take control over the city. There was plenty of kiling going on of inocent children and females. Were Ram and Rawan brothers. Ravan was bad find but he was born hindu and is a hindu. Yes kill Ravan wage a war a hindu. Violence. What do you call that a excuse to kill. Its a shme so much cover up of hindus past. a pure religion that can kill to give justice.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 01:40
Rajani
13 Aug 2007, 01:48
Parvez
You are wrong in calling it "your history
War was alawys going on. How do you think british captureed India. WAR among hindu. Dharm destroy violence all in our past. When we all die we are going to one god. There is not going to be one place for hindu or muslims. The supreme power is god. Period. You might follow one path we might follow another. But ther is only one way to god. And only one god.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 01:43
Rajani
13 Aug 2007, 01:56
Parvez
In your case
I never said it was right to attack hindu etc. You are 100% wrong the war will e lost by everyone. Once again history will repeat Indii will loose.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 02:00
Krisna
13 Aug 2007, 03:10
Parvez,
There were a lot of great Hindu
Finlly admittance wars to increase their territory i.e. killing soldiers killing females children boys and slavery of females and rape of the queen and dasi by Hindus kings. Fine muslms did bad things what about hindus. I dont kill any animals for sacrifice. I am against that. I dont eat meat hardly. The animal is kiled in name of Allah the way it is cut is a painless death. Unlike your sacrifice is done and the anial suffers death and has feelings till teh end.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 02:05
Philip Saenz
13 Aug 2007, 21:21
As a Catholic I say: May God bless that poor boy, who was burned by the Muslims. And may
Lets hangh tough. Dont let me start taling about your christians. You were all converted by food given in your moouth and cross n the neck. That is how you were converted. Christinality spread like a disease india and other poor country by aboove method. These inlcuided lot of harijans, hindus, brahamans, illiterate people who were very poor and di dnto knwo difference between this and that.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 02:09
Pravin
15 Aug 2007, 19:02
Philip Saenz says:
" Dear Hindus
Yours and mine what a cute couple. catholics please see my comments soon.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 02:12
Rajani
15 Aug 2007, 21:49
Philip Saenz
Yes, muslims kill their own
See and admit your past. Kings killing kings for more terrritroy. Greed power killings your own kind. Your past and my so caled present same thing is going on. These false curtain needs to be removed.
parvez, United States of America
16 Aug 2007, 02:23
Why are christians and catholic going to africa to remote villages adn trying to convert poor desperate people to chritinaity. Why are they not doing same things in other society of working class hindus. Its a sin what they ar doing. Second they have better chances and gaining numbers among them than in real society. Any jailer who converts to Islam in jail before going out in society never returns back. Hardly I have not heard of any person who converts to islam going back to jail for anything.
Pravin,
I feel you bro but we can't be sceptic all the time. How would the younger generation look at us if we are sceptic? As an individual we could start from ourselves or our family. Like me perhaps. I am not a religious Hindu person also but I have always have desire to study more and more about Hinduism. I donot know that many holy mantrams, rituals, and so wack in sanskrit. I believe the best way to study Hinduism is by learning its history first. Reading the Ramayan & Mahabharat is a great way to start. Learning on how the Mughals really did to us and how the Hindu heroes fought against them must not be forgotten too. I beleive that's one way how we could preserve Hinduism.
Rajani,
16 Aug 2007, 03:25
The above comments by Parvez Bhai .I would like to put that under a heading "Ramblings of a Christian and Hindu hater". You don't even seem to have a focussed thought pattern!! Did anybody here understand what he said?
Rajani,
16 Aug 2007, 03:41
Why should I admit anything when I have sound proofs against it. No true hindu will ever eat meat. It is the moghuls and british who introduced it here forcefully and now many hindus, who are no longer practising hinduism have also started eating it. they saw making hindus eat cow's meat as a symbol of triumph over them. Have you forgotten about the 1857 revolution, Mangal Pandey......
Let us not discuss meat eating..because that is one way you want to divert everybody's attention. Let us talk about jihad. We can tackle meat eating later. I mentioned only a small sentence "killing not even for food" and Parvez bhai has just made a big issue abt it!! very skillful diversion!!
Krisna, Indonesia
16 Aug 2007, 06:29
Parvez,
Fine, you kill in the name of Allah. Hindus sacrafice in the name of Lord Bhavani. But what hopes do you have for the animal that you kill ? You said a painless death ? I don't think so.
Obviously, you have not been paying attention to my writings. I have already told you about Dharmayudha. Read it again carefully.
You say " I feel you bro but we can't be sceptic all the time .."
You misunderstand - I was expressing a deep sense of regret and sandness at the depth of continuous erosion of the Hindu faith in India.
Survival in face of such eorsion has to be fought for, and I feel we can no longer take it for granted any more.
Just a little pointer here Krisna & Rajani - a lot of Hindus are meat eaters (me included). There is nothing wrong if people eat meat, including pork. Bacon is a British and European delicacy. It does not make you a lesser Hindu. Keep an open mind here, n stay foucsed.
Pork is a Muslim taboo-not ours. Its extract is used extensively in medicines we take
Pravin, United Kingdom
16 Aug 2007, 08:49
" ..You were all converted by food given in your mouth and cross n the neck...Christinality spread like a disease india and other poor country by aboove method .."
Simply a reflective comment, I'd much rather this, then the the Muslims who converted us to Islam by force, raping our women if they refused to convert .. and more .. an irrelevant point right now so we maintain focus of relevance.
".. Its a sin what they are doing.." -- How, comparatively? Conversion to Islam was at point of sword, killing our men & raping our women-is this not a sin? I guess not - you were simply obeying the wishes of Allah - convert to Islam by all means possible? What a shame-n u still defend it.
Rajani,
16 Aug 2007, 09:39
Well, in the vedas you may find a lot of writing forbiding eating meat. It is more out of concern for the human health that meat eating has been prohibited. Vegetarianism is not exclusive to Hinduism. It is known worldwide that eating meat is the main cause for coronary diseases. Vegetarianism is found to keep at bay many of the diseases that modern world is facing. The ancient rishis had researched into this deeply and found it to be true and so this was included in the religious books so that people follow it as a religious dictat at least. Also, one is not killing any other being for food. Hinduism promotes life, health and happiness.
Rajani,
16 Aug 2007, 10:07
Had meat eating not been a taboo in the past, would Mangal Pandey have revolted against using cartridges greased with mutton fat? It was also a sign of subjugation of Hindus, which he could not accept!!
I repeat again, meat eating is a fairly modern trend introduced during foreign invasion of India.
Of course, meat eating does not make one a lesser Hindu, but all the great spiritual masters who really practised Hinduism were vegetarians!!
Rajani,
Your point noted. I am not a scholar, so I will not comment on the Vedas or the religious aspects for consumption of meat.
I can relate to your point however " ..It is more out of concern for the human health that meat eating has been prohibited.." - which is disassociated from religion.
I am not aware that eating meat is prohibited expressly - I believe it may not be.
Keep an open mind here therefore, refrain from judgement either way, and leave it to individual and personal choice. It does not devalue you as a Hindu as a result.
As you said earlier, let us not deviate from the issue, and stay on course - Islamic terror in India.
Pravin, United Kingdom
16 Aug 2007, 16:24
Just in case readers here miss it, have a look at this article on this site. Here is the link:
www.hindujagruti.org/news/2789.html
parvez, United States of America
18 Aug 2007, 02:52
Rajani
16 Aug 2007, 03:25
The above comments by
Rambling or facts. If I hate hindus I would not go to temples. Wrong title"ramblings of a muslim or Ramblng of a christian. lol. Facts how chritianity spreads around the world.
parvez, United States of America
18 Aug 2007, 02:56
Rajani
16 Aug 2007, 03:41
Why should I admit. History of HIndus is meat was eaten preiod. Just a fact you are denying. yes a true muslim when he does halal he has skills to kill by first slicing a vein / artery to make it as painless as possible compared to hindus who worships cows and but they kills animals who suffer till end even after head is cut of. Does not make sense. How dishonest are we.
parvez, United States of America
18 Aug 2007, 02:58
Krisna
16 Aug 2007, 06:29
Parvez,
Fine, you kill
What purpose do hindus have by killing animal and at same time we do not eat meat. IF the hindus who were forced to eat meat waht is making them eat meat today. If they are true hindus. You have excuse for everything.
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah, India (Bharat)
18 Aug 2007, 05:51
parvez
16 Aug 2007, 02:05
U were all converted by food given in your moouth and cross n the neck
OYE PARVEZ,
This statement of yours reminds me of your own personal history.
Do u know that somewhere in the past one Ancestor of yours was converted by a Islamic Invader JUST BY SPITTING IN THE POOR FELLOW'S MOUTH?
I know that this might sound ridiculous, but u need it. U need some spanking now. U have started behaving like a spoilt kid, instead of the well behaved "moderate muslim".
Get it straight boy, u are as unwanted here as the muslims are in India. I see that u have started arguing a lot with the people here. U'll get your answer now.
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah, India (Bharat)
18 Aug 2007, 06:30
Parvez,
Hindus killing Hindus is a fact, and there have been killings and war among the Kings as u said, and of course u have been given adequate explanation on that by Rajani ji, now I expect some explanation from u.
Your Muslim Kings have had a noted history, that the SON WOULD TAKE OVER THE THRONE BY KILLING HIS OWN FATHER AND BROTHERS.
Names for your reference:
Babar, Aurangzeb, Jahangir, and so on.....
Show me 1 Indian King who has killed his own father and siblings just to conquer the kingdom.
ISLAM IS BASELESS, FAITHLESS, MERCILESS and SENSELESS.
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah, India (Bharat)
18 Aug 2007, 07:21
parvez is right.
Hindus are Violent
Hindus are Intolerant,
Hindus are Extremists,
We have a history full of bloodshed,
So, Mr. parvez and his kin must understand, that if hindus come to their true self, what could be done to these poor peace loving and absolutly vulnerable minority living in the land of Dangerous Hindus...
I feel concerned for the poor innocent Muslims living in India in such a dangerous condition.
Parvez, Why don't your PEACE LOVING Mullas tell your people to run away from this land of extremists and Violent Hindus, and live in peace in an Islamic Country blessed by your ALLAH.
Muslims wanted Pakistan, we gave them. Bharat is for HINDUS.
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah, India (Bharat)
18 Aug 2007, 07:42
Parvez,
It doesn't matter if Hindus eat Non Veg.
We are talking about LIVING IN HARMONY. This concept will never get into the Muslim Brains full of Trash. Muslims don't want to live in peace. they want to conquer everything they see.
Your father, (India's Father, hence yours)
MR. MohanKhan Karamchand Gandhi used to give us this kind of preachings. HINDU MUSLIM BHAI BHAI... What did he get India in return? His favourite Muslims cut our motherland in pieces. We are still paying the price for this mistake done by him.
Just tell me how many Muslim freedom fighters can u name, who did an active part in India's freedom struggle.
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah,
18 Aug 2007, 08:03
I asked someone,"How many kinds of muslims are there in this world?"
The answer came,
SHIAs,
SUNNIS,
WAHABIs,
KHOJAs,
VOHRAs,
KURDs,
PATHAANs, and lots more........
I said," There are only 2 types of Muslims in this worlds.
1. THE VIOLENTs
2. THE DEFENDANTs
The ultimate saviour of the world, the messanger of ALLAH, Usama Bin Laden is from the first group.
And our dearest Parvez belongs to the second.
The Violents kill in the name of ALLAH,
and the Defendants keep dodging the blames coming up on their ISLAMIC CULT.
Wake up Muslims, when the cat starts starving, it even eats it's own kittens.
Rajani, India (Bharat)
18 Aug 2007, 10:08
Parvez
Mere bhai log ek saath ho gaye to kya hoga samjha na?
Jai Hind!
Rajani, India (Bharat)
18 Aug 2007, 10:38
Ritesh is right!
When India was partitioned, the population of Hindus in Pakistan was 24% of the total population, still Pakistan was declared as an Islamic country. Now Hindus are just 1%!! What happened to all those Hindus. Nobody knows.
At the time of partition, the Muslim population was just 8% of the total population, still India was declared as a secular state. According to the 2001 census, the muslim population has risen to 13.6% of the total population?Had Hindus been intolerant, would this have happened?
Compare this with the royal way in which muslims are treated all over India!!
Rajani, India (Bharat)
19 Aug 2007, 01:40
Most of the muslims go on arguing endlessly with no rational thinking at all and they will go to any length to justify their "beliefs." Ali Sina's website has it all. There are many like Parvez arguing with him there, going round and round, and reaching nowhere. Whenever talking about jihad and violence, he will shift to the "Iam not like that" daleel, so that he is safe and is free to argue on something silly.
Krisna, Indonesia
19 Aug 2007, 23:27
Pravin,
Oh ok bro, my apologize for miss understanding you...Yes, you're right, erosion of the faith is in a sad level, Hindus all over the world must have self awaress about this situation. The goverment may have neglect and ignore us, but we still have to try our best to save our younger generation. I belive educating them more intensively about Hinduism and character building is the key. They are our future hope.
Parvez,
True Hindus are non meat eater. Our holy script has a lot in saying of the danger in eating meat. What makes the Hindus eating meat as you claim to see is absolutely there own free chioce. They will not be condemn for that. Unlike Islam who condemn people for eating pork because it is Haram. Well white people really enjoy eating pork everyday and they look fine to me.
And by the way, I also know a lot of Muslims who also enjoys pork and still goes to Friday praying and they still look fine.
You still have not answer my question about the hopes you have for the animal that you kill.
RItesh "ANTI MUSLIM "Shah, India (Bharat)
20 Aug 2007, 08:12
Parvez Miyaan,
There's one very common statement which comes from you always, it is: "MY KURAN DOESNOT SAY THIS and THAT whatever"
How can u claim Islam to be one great religion, when the book which holds your Paigambar's words has been distorted and rewritten by hundreds of people?
If the books have been disorted so many times, then how can u claim your kuran to be the right one? maybe your kuran was written by some moderate maulvi, and the one with bundles of violence is the original one.... your earlier statements only support this doubt.
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah, India (Bharat)
20 Aug 2007, 08:35
Parvez is only wasting our time, so that we can't discuss over something constructive. He's just one of those Hypocrites who watch everything happening around them but will not call it wrong,
DEFENDING A CRIME IS AS CRIMINAL AS THE CRIME ITSELF.
Our dearest Parvez here has proven this by avoiding or dodging the most crutial questions here.
Parvez, plz ask this question to all ur contacts on our behalf:
WHEN THE POPULATION GROWTH HAS BECOME A MATTER OF CONCERN GLOBALLY, THEN WHY MUSLIM BIRTH RATE KEEPS JUMPING RAPIDLY WORLDWIDE?
Is it just coincidental or intentional? I hope you will not dodge this question as usual.
We're waiting for ur answer.
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah, India (Bharat)
20 Aug 2007, 08:47
Parvez blames AFGHAN muslims for all the terorrist acts in India. I would like to open his eyes on this one.
The 1993 Bombay Bomb Blasts were designed and executed by Indian Muslims called DAWOOD IBRAHIM, MEMON BROTHERS, ABU SALEM, and a other muslims from Maharashtra.
The attack on Indian Parliament was done by Mohd Afzal Guru, a resident of Kashmir, INDIA.
The muslims who started the mumbai riots were from Mumbai, not Afghanistan.
Do u think that the ethnic cleansing of lacs of kashmiri pandits was done by afghanis? MISGUIDING! Absolutely done by Kashmiri Muslims with help from Pakistan, with a clear intention of grabbing the wealth and women of the Hindus
"..I belive educating them more intensively about Hinduism and character building is the key.."
Sure, but bear in mind the majority of Hinuds in India live "below the poverty line", their priorities are different with eduction a low priority in their daily life, & earning enough for the daily roti, and having a roof over their head being paramount.
Those like us here, who are educateed and fortunate, had our characters built for us by our parents, followed by a good education, and a good socio-economic life.
These people do not have such a "luxury".
We have to do a little more first to stabilise their life & daily roti-education & faith follows hand in hand.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:06
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
18 Aug 2007, 05:51
parvez
16 Aug 2007, 02:05
U were all converted by food
JUST BY SPITTING IN THE POOR FELLOW'S IGNORANT. By spitting you do not convert. Are you threati?? me, be careful kid face me if you wnat to threatIN me.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:08
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
18 Aug 2007, 06:30
Parvez,
Hindus killing Hindus is a fact
KILING FATHER same has happned in your religion to. Would you like me to give names.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:10
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
18 Aug 2007, 07:21
parvez is right.
Hindus are Violent
Hindus are Intolerant,
Hindus are Extremists,
We have a history full of bloodshed,
Thanks fo pakistan I have never been there and never will. Bharat is for HINDUS. What a joke you are behind intnernet a typical cowar?
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:12
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
18 Aug 2007, 07:42
Parvez,
It doesn't matter if Hindus eat Non Veg.
Yes it dos find muslims are bad we eat meat. Well since you said muslims want to conquer find they might. But I am still not ever going to be anti hindu. That is the difference between you and me.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:13
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
18 Aug 2007, 07:42
Parvez,
It doesn't matter if Hindus eat Non Veg.
We are talking about LIVING
Freedom fighter today yes my own cousin is with CB and crim la in Delhi weaving out terrorist muslims and any other rligion.?.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:16
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
18 Aug 2007, 08:03
I asked someone,"How many kinds of muslims are there in this world?"
The answer came
Ignorane and stupid. YOUR coments are like a kid.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:23
Rajani
19 Aug 2007, 01:40
Most of the muslims go on arguing endlessly. I dont beleive in jihad and violence unless it is self defense like comment threat made to me above by ritesh. RITESH if you have one father face me mane to mane.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:25
Krisna
19 Aug 2007, 23:56
Parvez,
True Hindus are non meat eater. Our holy script has a lot in saying of the danger in eating meat.
So why is meat eating in history of hindus. Muslim poork harm reason listen learn. Human body cannot digest piork meat. It is a dirty animal. They lok e fine wait till they get old and their imune system gives up.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:29
RItesh "ANTI MUSLIM "Shah
20 Aug 2007, 08:12
Parvez Miyaan,
How rewritten just like your relgion. Right one by understanding meaning of the wordings. Thats how. I have read seveal different qurans finally this one is the one. My doubt is clear now, it is written by a person a holy perosn who has studies islam the right way. Without influence of Arab or other extermist fanatic muslims.He visits temple and churces and discusses peacefully and does not promote violence like above.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:31
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
20 Aug 2007, 08:35
Parvez is only
Read above what hapened to the boy is wrong. I started here with being fair and still everyone jumped me. Now when I am bring out facts of hindu history you hate me more.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:34
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
20 Aug 2007, 08:35
WHEN THE POPULATION
ANSWER ANSWER ANSWER
Because we are rats and can multiply rapidly. We can do it. Maybe becasue we are evil and love doing it. Can you handle it.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:36
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
20 Aug 2007, 08:47
Parvez blames AFGHAN muslims
What about that hinduy actor who went to jail is he a muslim now. Or a terrorist. Or am I being smart and avoiding the question. HIndu female ??????. For what.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:38
Pravin
21 Aug 2007, 06:28
Krisna you say:
"..I belive educating them more intensively
characters built for us by our parents FOR WHT TO PROMOTE TERRORISM. They forgot to teach you one thing to move on and not live in the last. Education, family is not character building only. Common Sense plays a good role.
parvez, United States of America
23 Aug 2007, 02:44
Dear Indians
Soon I am going to stop visitng this wonderful site. It has been agreat plaeasure and learning how much hatred you all educatd people have towards islam. All your answers and alll our sins we have to pay in thiis life. God will judge us when time is right. If I dont answer does not mean I acept defeat. I am jsut to busy running my business and yes I only have hindu employees only not a single muslim. That is because we are all humans and I do not discrimiate anyone like majority above.
Take care and god bless you. I wil be around don't miss me to much. To Rajani and all ladies forgive me if I have stepped out of line did not mean to.
Pravin, United Kingdom
23 Aug 2007, 07:07
Bye Parvezbhai,
In saying farewell, and conterary to your opinion of me, I have no hatered for Muslims in the context as you express yourselves, neither do I promote terrorism.
In the wider political context, all we say is Muslims are best suited to living their way of life in their Islamic countries, as your way of life is not compatable for living in a Christian or a Hindu land. It is for that reason Muslims are unwelcome in India & all non-Muslim countries.
We also rebel against the Indian Government who is infiltrated and now utterly contaminated by Muslims with their Islamic agenda.
Its not hatered - its politics.
I wish you well, and good success in your business.
Nobody here is out with a hate campaign against muslims. Only facts are being presented here to make people aware of things that are happening. If muslims like you cannot accept the facts and digest it and try to justify all these wrongdoings in the name of your religion, then that is your problem. Unfortunately, you are living in a make-believe world still clinging on to Islamic ideas. Islam will not be the "fastest growing religion" from now, it will become the "religion abandoned by many" henceforth, because Islam started with terrorism and cannot bring happiness in the world. Just wait and see!!
Rajani, India (Bharat)
23 Aug 2007, 21:11
We all have a lot of common sense and are of good educational background, to say the least. So don't be under the impression that we are a bunch of uneducated extremists being manipulated by some people to spread communal disharmony. You say about living in the past. Well, common sense says that one has to learn from history a lot. It is out of fear for our own lives that we are protesting here, if you are still not aware of it. Islamic terorism has reached such magnitudes here and the situation is such that you cannot trust any muslim. A terrorist might be living protected in one's neighbourhood and one may never know. THIS is the situation here.
Rajani, India (Bharat)
23 Aug 2007, 21:40
"I started here with being fair and still everyone jumped me"
No you were not fair. You said
"comments such as "fail to protect as a Hindu". Instead you should be saying "FAILED TO PROTECT A INNCONENT CHILD". Do not put more gasoline on fire."
You were not fair in saying that. Trying to manipulate the truth. The reason behind this incident IS Hindu hatred of muslims. Please go and ask the Bangladeshi and Pakistani and Kashmiri Hindus. They know better. You are talking like the congressmen in this country, giving us the lesson of secularism, which is only meant for Hindus and not for muslims and christians!!
Rajani, India (Bharat)
23 Aug 2007, 21:44
"yes my own cousin is with CB and crim la in Delhi weaving out terrorist muslims"
This is a matter of concern certainly, if your cousin is "weaving" out terrorists instead of "weeding" them out. May be you unconsciously slipped in the right word.
"KILING FATHER same has happned in your religion to. Would you like me to give names. "
Please give the names.
And about your parents giving you the education that all religions should be respected equally, should not hate people from other religion, etc. Yes, it is necessary for muslims to tell their children like that. Because their religions tells them otherwise. Or else they will become terrorists in their childhood itself.
As for us Hindus, we do not need this type of education, because our religion does not teach hatred basically. So parents do not have to explicitly teach us to respect other religions. May be Indian muslims have learnt this lesson from their Hindu counterparts.
Rajani, India (Bharat)
23 Aug 2007, 22:01
"I dont beleive in jihad and violence unless it is self defense like comment threat made to me above by ritesh."
It is muslims who started it all, this violence in this peaceful land by invading looting killing crores of innocent people. There are historical records by the Moghuls testifying to this fact. It was celebration for them for having bloodied their hands with killing Hindus and they were so happy with it that they kept a written record of it!! So, according to Parvez, violence in self defence is okay. This present protest of Hindus here is certainly is an act of self defence, isn't it?
Rajani, India (Bharat)
23 Aug 2007, 23:59
"Now when I am bring out facts of hindu history you hate me more."
You are bringing out "facts", is it? In no way do they reflect in any of the situations now. It is very very clear that it is because of "ISLAMIC TERRORISM" and that it is muslims who are engaged in terrorism here and the victims are clearly Hindus in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.
parvez, United States of America
24 Aug 2007, 02:43
Pravin
23 Aug 2007, 07:07
Bye Parvezbhai,
In saying farewell
I decided to stay for awhile to se wher this all leads but will be silen and only answer where I think is appropraite.
parvez, United States of America
24 Aug 2007, 02:45
Rajani
23 Aug 2007, 21:11
We all have a lot of I see how common sense is used. History is meant is to be read and understood not to change past but change the future to live in harmony. Not lke dogs from different streets to fight each other. So where is here.
parvez, United States of America
24 Aug 2007, 02:48
Rajani
23 Aug 2007, 21:40
"I started here with being
I did not mean it that way just trying ot point out this child who is innocent. I would have jumped in and tried to rescue this CHILD, now the question is would you do same for a muslim or christian boy.???. I dont think you would.
parvez, United States of America
24 Aug 2007, 02:49
Rajani
23 Aug 2007, 21:54
"KILING FATHER same has happned. I see lot of hatred above against muslims.
parvez,
24 Aug 2007, 02:51
Rajani
23 Aug 2007, 22:01
"I dont beleive in jihad
Yes it is, if someone came in to my house, I owuld teach them lesson that they wil remember every morning they wake up.
parvez, United States of America
24 Aug 2007, 02:53
Rajani
23 Aug 2007, 23:59
"Now when I am bring out facts
It is time to move on ansd stop crying about hte past it is future that count. Education does nto mean a degree but learning to adapt to your surroundings. LIke me I give 90% of my work to hindus. Be fair. Don;t be hating muslims. Wake up it is 2007.
parvez, United States of America
24 Aug 2007, 02:54
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah
R u in USA maybe we should met and talk in perosn.
Krisna, Indonesia
24 Aug 2007, 05:41
Parvez,
Leaving so soon ??? I was just warming up.
No it's you that should read and learn ! All meats include pork are digestable that's why it's called the stomach. There are many kinds of diseases meat lovers get when they got old : High blood presure, obesity, congestion, and heart attack. Pork doesn't effect immune system. You get it when you are HIV positive.
All animals are dirty because they all roll around in the dirt, not just pigs ! Tell me which animal that goes to the beauty parlour anyway?
Meat eating in Hindu history? Question answered before. Hindu has no teaching of hatred wich result in terorism unlike Islam. Jihad on the Jews and all infidels are the proof !
Pravin, United Kingdom
24 Aug 2007, 09:33
" now the question is would you do same for a muslim or christian boy.???. I dont think you would.."
Not only would we try to save that child, but we would make sure that the perpatrators of such hatered are punished - severly, and we would not defend that pack of savge animals who attack a single clid.
However, no hindu children would attack any child in this manner beit muslim, chritian or any other faith, in the fashion that your people attacked an Indian child.
"the question is would you do same for a muslim or christian boy.???. I dont think you would."
The question is whether this will ever happen to a muslim or a christian boy? wake up....it is hindus who are being persecuted...tortured....this is not 1000 year old history. here ...right now...this is happening....and i am taking examples from the past to prove their cruelty.
You are threatening many of us here outright just for saying something against muslims. Muslims can get away with ages of mass massacre of Hindus and terrorism? Where is your sense of justice?
Rajani, India (Bharat)
24 Aug 2007, 11:56
By the way, what is your definition of "innocent"?
Someone who does not speak against Islam or muslims? If it is someone who has spoken against your people and has not done any physical harm to anybody, would you call him "innocent" and save him too?
Rajani, India (Bharat)
24 Aug 2007, 21:11
"It is time to move on ansd stop crying about hte past it is future that count."
What does the future hold for us Hindus?Terrorist attacks, mass murders of innocent perople? Already happening....can you give us the guarantee that this will not happen in future?
Ritesh "ANTI MUSLIM" Shah, India (Bharat)
25 Aug 2007, 07:13
PARVEZ,
Mere dost, tu ek baat samajh le, yahaan par jo bhi baaten ho rahi hain, woh saare musalmaano ke baare mein ho rahi hain. To har baat mein apne aap ko mahaan dikhane ki koi zarurat nahi. Hum log sirf sachchai dikha rahe hain. Woh bhi logic aur proof ke saath. US mein aaram se baith kar ekta ka paath padhana aasaan hai. Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kahmir mein jaa kar Hinduon ka haal dekho, phir yeh pravachan dena. AUR YEH KOI PAST NAHI HAI, 2007 KE MUSALMAANO KI HAKEEKAT HAI.
Mere sirf teekhe shabdon se tumhe mirchi lag jaati hai... Hum to apne laakhon logo ko marte hue dekhte aaye hain.
WE'RE JUST SHOWING U THE MIRROR. IT'S YOUR FACE THAT IS UGLY. The mirror can't be blamed.
I think PARVEZ is trying to deliberatly divert our attention by all his gimmicks. His comments are becoming worse by the day.
it is time that we start ignoring him, and carry on with our discussions. We have a lot of more important things to talk about.
Ritesh Shah, India (Bharat)
25 Aug 2007, 08:02
I think PARVEZ is trying to deliberatly divert our attention by all his gimmicks. His comments are becoming worse by the day.
We are unnecessarily wasting our energy after this DEAF MUSLIM. We have to ignore his posts, and carry on with our discussions. We have a lot of more important things to talk about.
Pravin, United Kingdom
26 Aug 2007, 14:20
Ritesh & others,
If you havent already looked, then here is the link.
Yes Ritesh - it has reached the end of purpose, and we now have a better understanding and appreciation of Muslim thinking and mindset in their unwillingness to answer searching questions.
Are you making any progress? We must re-juvinate.
Veeru, India (Bharat)
07 Oct 2007, 13:34
Has any progress been made on this case? Can somebody in West Bengal raise a Right to Information question to the state government and demand investigation details? Simplay putting the news on the website and commenting on it will not help. We need to act. Request somebody in West Bengal state to consult the state governmetn via RTI.
rajdeep, India (Bharat)
28 Oct 2007, 07:39
well I wish every hindu family from India looses 1 member from their family due to some islamic bomb attack or mob attack, so that we get to know how urgent it is to wake up from this sleep and realise what secularism has done to India.the day 85crore hindus stand up and say that we are hindus irrespective of their region,we wo'nt have to pick up weapons because before we do that muslims will pull up their lungee and run to save their ass.thank you.
Haresh, United Kingdom
12 Nov 2007, 06:16
I have a contact a Journalist/Political Researcher who is doing a research project on the experiences of Indians Hindu/Sikh/others in the UK of islamic extremism.
They need to talk to people who would be willing to talk about the following:
Violence/intimidation at school/college/university or work.
Conversion of girls to islam
Kashmir- especially the views of the Conservative Parveen Warsi who called Pak backed terrorists "Freedom Fighters
Their views of the major parties Labour/Conservatives towards islam/Indian
Basically this project wants to talk to people.
Contact me:
It is of no use to submit our views in here, we have to raise this publicly in media about the so called secular party called left & congress, where as they r the first to play religious politics, without them all this stuff is not possible at all.
Jai Hind.
Amymint5, United Kingdom
06 Dec 2007, 10:38
My heart out to his boy and l think that the Indian Govenment should wake up to these crimes and stop shaming its own people - the whole world is watching. The Govenment has to understand that everyone is human no matter what cast - it need to stand up and change its ways.
In BrItian it used to be 'Black Whites equal rights"
Learn something India.
You are tops with the Bollywood films,
Tops with Mrs India and other things,
BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS?
Ravi, India (Bharat)
11 Jan 2008, 07:22
Narendra Modi very badly needed at Central level for protection of innocent people in India
rituparna ghosh, India (Bharat)
16 Feb 2008, 07:33
Its about time when we all hindus should unite to fight a religion -islam that threatning the whole human race. Like the jews we should take up arms and fight the muslims. LETS SHOW THEM WE ARE NOT AFRAID TO DEFEND OUR RELIGION AGAINST THE BOTTOM DWELLERS- THE MUSLIMS.
Dr. Pravin Mehta, India (Bharat)
05 May 2008, 12:50
All hindus should unite and fight against terrorism and for that everybody should be traind
ranga vunnam, United States of America
11 Jul 2008, 12:43
So Hindus are not safe anymore even in India. The media, the State and Central governments should take responsibility to condemn these atrocities and punish the guilty. But again, Hindus are second-class citizens in India. I think the problem is with the Congress party, the media and Hindus themselves. The state government must be sued. A heavy fine would make the politicians realize their responsibilities.
I hope Muslim, Christian and Hindu and other religious leaders unite to condemn these atrocities against any human being, irrespective of ones religion. One way to bring order in India is to boycott all the newspapers, which fail to report and follow through these atrocities and to put tremendous pressure on the elected officials and defeat all those who do not do anything to punish the culprits
chetan t b, India (Bharat)
10 Oct 2008, 06:24
as this damage done to our hindu boy from muslims,now there is no point in sitting quite.really hindu's blood is boiling from the incident that has occured.now start to think how to kickoff muslims from hindustan
vivek sharma, India (Bharat)
12 Jan 2009, 04:03
i think the world need to wakeup against these perpetrators .everywhere in world they are comitting
crimes ranging from rape,terrorisim,beheadings etc
but still they say their religion is auspicious.
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